HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

[McParadigm]

So Jon wrote I’d Like to Buy the World a Coke? Huh.

I really liked when he sipped from a Coke can and then told Arya “If you want to live in a yurt, yurt it up.”

[epilogue]

again, i think you can attribute 90% of this nonsense to the showrunners' bizarre choice to abbreviate the last two seasons.

i just don't understand why you'd put so many countless resources and time into something where you meticulously pour your heart and soul into it, only to have your give-a-shitter break at the end which colors everything you accomplished up until that point.

Agreed. Season 7 should have been the full 10 episodes ending with Battle of Winterfell. Leave it on a cliffhanger then wrap it up episode 1 Season 8. If they wanted a shorter season fine, but at least we would have gotten like 3 additional episode which would have helped develop and finish all these story lines. It was all just too rushed and it didn't have to be. That and Jon should not have been outcast.

As I said before, Jon should have died. It's the only thing that makes sense to me and satisfies. BUT if he's going to live, then the choice to go North should have been his own. The biggest problem with Jon throughout the series (but especially in these last couple seasons) is his total lack of agency. I mean, I guess, yeah, he does stuff. But he basically just does what people tell him to do.

Not that any of it matters anyway, because, as Bran tells us again and again, it was always going to be this way. So...

[Monkey_Driven]

I'm working on an outline for the last two seasons if they were 10 episodes each just for fun.

[epilogue]

I'm working on an outline for the last two seasons if they were 10 episodes each just for fun.

[darth_vedder]

again, i think you can attribute 90% of this nonsense to the showrunners' bizarre choice to abbreviate the last two seasons.

i just don't understand why you'd put so many countless resources and time into something where you meticulously pour your heart and soul into it, only to have your give-a-shitter break at the end which colors everything you accomplished up until that point.

Agreed. Season 7 should have been the full 10 episodes ending with Battle of Winterfell. Leave it on a cliffhanger then wrap it up episode 1 Season 8. If they wanted a shorter season fine, but at least we would have gotten like 3 additional episode which would have helped develop and finish all these story lines. It was all just too rushed and it didn't have to be. That and Jon should not have been outcast.

As I said before, Jon should have died. It's the only thing that makes sense to me and satisfies. BUT if he's going to live, then the choice to go North should have been his own. The biggest problem with Jon throughout the series (but especially in these last couple seasons) is his total lack of agency. I mean, I guess, yeah, he does stuff. But he basically just does what people tell him to do.

Not that any of it matters anyway, because, as Bran tells us again and again, it was always going to be this way. So...

That pretty much sums up what I've been trying to say this whole time. I hate that he was banished. I would have been totally fine if the electoral college named him king, then he refused and went up north.

[Strat]

Just the fact that they did a 3 week time jump after he kills her says everything that needs to be said about the way this show ended.

[epilogue]

Just the fact that they did a 3 week time jump after he kills her says everything that needs to be said about the way this show ended.

pretty much, yeah

[Mecca]

again, i think you can attribute 90% of this nonsense to the showrunners' bizarre choice to abbreviate the last two seasons.

i just don't understand why you'd put so many countless resources and time into something where you meticulously pour your heart and soul into it, only to have your give-a-shitter break at the end which colors everything you accomplished up until that point.

Agreed. Season 7 should have been the full 10 episodes ending with Battle of Winterfell. Leave it on a cliffhanger then wrap it up episode 1 Season 8. If they wanted a shorter season fine, but at least we would have gotten like 3 additional episode which would have helped develop and finish all these story lines. It was all just too rushed and it didn't have to be. That and Jon should not have been outcast.

As I said before, Jon should have died. It's the only thing that makes sense to me and satisfies. BUT if he's going to live, then the choice to go North should have been his own. The biggest problem with Jon throughout the series (but especially in these last couple seasons) is his total lack of agency. I mean, I guess, yeah, he does stuff. But he basically just does what people tell him to do.

Not that any of it matters anyway, because, as Bran tells us again and again, it was always going to be this way. So...

I think there’s a difference in what he’s told and what he chooses:

The only thing he has been told and lacked some agency over is his positions. Lord Commander, king in the north, rightful heir, etc. What Jon has agency over is his decisions while being in those positions: sheltering freefolk, bending the knee, etc

[Anders]

I have no problem with where most ended up, Arya, Sansa, Sam and Tyrion were spot on. Jon was fine, even if it was handled poorly. But the episode from when Jon killed Dany, was so poor. Arya’s ending was fine, her episode was terrible.

Really weird that the Unsullied and the Dothraki would just rule the city, and then leave, letting the lords choose their new king.

[epilogue]

again, i think you can attribute 90% of this nonsense to the showrunners' bizarre choice to abbreviate the last two seasons.

i just don't understand why you'd put so many countless resources and time into something where you meticulously pour your heart and soul into it, only to have your give-a-shitter break at the end which colors everything you accomplished up until that point.

Agreed. Season 7 should have been the full 10 episodes ending with Battle of Winterfell. Leave it on a cliffhanger then wrap it up episode 1 Season 8. If they wanted a shorter season fine, but at least we would have gotten like 3 additional episode which would have helped develop and finish all these story lines. It was all just too rushed and it didn't have to be. That and Jon should not have been outcast.

As I said before, Jon should have died. It's the only thing that makes sense to me and satisfies. BUT if he's going to live, then the choice to go North should have been his own. The biggest problem with Jon throughout the series (but especially in these last couple seasons) is his total lack of agency. I mean, I guess, yeah, he does stuff. But he basically just does what people tell him to do.

Not that any of it matters anyway, because, as Bran tells us again and again, it was always going to be this way. So...

I think there’s a difference in what he’s told and what he chooses:

The only thing he has been told and lacked some agency over is his positions. Lord Commander, king in the north, rightful heir, etc. What Jon has agency over is his decisions while being in those positions: sheltering freefolk, bending the knee, etc

Except, again, Bran.

[Mecca]

Just the fact that they did a 3 week time jump after he kills her says everything that needs to be said about the way this show ended.

pretty much, yeah

That’s one full character episode in of itself

[epilogue]

Just the fact that they did a 3 week time jump after he kills her says everything that needs to be said about the way this show ended.

pretty much, yeah

That’s one full character episode in of itself

aw huh

[Mecca]

again, i think you can attribute 90% of this nonsense to the showrunners' bizarre choice to abbreviate the last two seasons.

i just don't understand why you'd put so many countless resources and time into something where you meticulously pour your heart and soul into it, only to have your give-a-shitter break at the end which colors everything you accomplished up until that point.

Agreed. Season 7 should have been the full 10 episodes ending with Battle of Winterfell. Leave it on a cliffhanger then wrap it up episode 1 Season 8. If they wanted a shorter season fine, but at least we would have gotten like 3 additional episode which would have helped develop and finish all these story lines. It was all just too rushed and it didn't have to be. That and Jon should not have been outcast.

As I said before, Jon should have died. It's the only thing that makes sense to me and satisfies. BUT if he's going to live, then the choice to go North should have been his own. The biggest problem with Jon throughout the series (but especially in these last couple seasons) is his total lack of agency. I mean, I guess, yeah, he does stuff. But he basically just does what people tell him to do.

Not that any of it matters anyway, because, as Bran tells us again and again, it was always going to be this way. So...

I think there’s a difference in what he’s told and what he chooses:

The only thing he has been told and lacked some agency over is his positions. Lord Commander, king in the north, rightful heir, etc. What Jon has agency over is his decisions while being in those positions: sheltering freefolk, bending the knee, etc

Except, again, Bran.

is that an exception to what I said?

[epilogue]

maybe I'm the only person who laughed right out loud, but Drogon picking up Dany and flying away with her was absurd and totally undercut the full emotional impact of what had otherwise been a moving scene.

[epilogue]

again, i think you can attribute 90% of this nonsense to the showrunners' bizarre choice to abbreviate the last two seasons.

i just don't understand why you'd put so many countless resources and time into something where you meticulously pour your heart and soul into it, only to have your give-a-shitter break at the end which colors everything you accomplished up until that point.

Agreed. Season 7 should have been the full 10 episodes ending with Battle of Winterfell. Leave it on a cliffhanger then wrap it up episode 1 Season 8. If they wanted a shorter season fine, but at least we would have gotten like 3 additional episode which would have helped develop and finish all these story lines. It was all just too rushed and it didn't have to be. That and Jon should not have been outcast.

As I said before, Jon should have died. It's the only thing that makes sense to me and satisfies. BUT if he's going to live, then the choice to go North should have been his own. The biggest problem with Jon throughout the series (but especially in these last couple seasons) is his total lack of agency. I mean, I guess, yeah, he does stuff. But he basically just does what people tell him to do.

Not that any of it matters anyway, because, as Bran tells us again and again, it was always going to be this way. So...

I think there’s a difference in what he’s told and what he chooses:

The only thing he has been told and lacked some agency over is his positions. Lord Commander, king in the north, rightful heir, etc. What Jon has agency over is his decisions while being in those positions: sheltering freefolk, bending the knee, etc

Except, again, Bran.

is that an exception to what I said?

Bran illustrates that, in fact, Jon has no agency over his decisions. That's all.

[Mecca]

again, i think you can attribute 90% of this nonsense to the showrunners' bizarre choice to abbreviate the last two seasons.

i just don't understand why you'd put so many countless resources and time into something where you meticulously pour your heart and soul into it, only to have your give-a-shitter break at the end which colors everything you accomplished up until that point.

Agreed. Season 7 should have been the full 10 episodes ending with Battle of Winterfell. Leave it on a cliffhanger then wrap it up episode 1 Season 8. If they wanted a shorter season fine, but at least we would have gotten like 3 additional episode which would have helped develop and finish all these story lines. It was all just too rushed and it didn't have to be. That and Jon should not have been outcast.

As I said before, Jon should have died. It's the only thing that makes sense to me and satisfies. BUT if he's going to live, then the choice to go North should have been his own. The biggest problem with Jon throughout the series (but especially in these last couple seasons) is his total lack of agency. I mean, I guess, yeah, he does stuff. But he basically just does what people tell him to do.

Not that any of it matters anyway, because, as Bran tells us again and again, it was always going to be this way. So...

I think there’s a difference in what he’s told and what he chooses:

The only thing he has been told and lacked some agency over is his positions. Lord Commander, king in the north, rightful heir, etc. What Jon has agency over is his decisions while being in those positions: sheltering freefolk, bending the knee, etc

Except, again, Bran.

is that an exception to what I said?

Bran illustrates that, in fact, Jon has no agency over his decisions. That's all.

I don’t know if Bran is saying it’s predestination, but rather more of “you cannot be anywhere that you’re not supposed to be” he’s not Billy Pilgrim

[darth_vedder]

Why would anyone want Bran to be king, after being totally unhelpful and uncaring toward everyone around him the past 3 or 4 seasons?

Why did Bran want to be king at all, after having lost all interest in the world around him and expressing no interest to be Lord of Winterfell?

Did he just know he was gonna be king and let everyone off each other for his own benefit?

[epilogue]

Another thing that I totally fucking LOVE about this episode is finally getting some Dany POV again. Abandoning her POV and choosing not to give us full context of what she's thinking/feeling and why is one of the biggest bummers in the last two seasons -- and especially in S8E5.

Emilia Clarke KILLED it in this episode. Easily the best she's been in the series. I hope she gets some Emmy love for it. And it was too little, too late, but I'm so glad we finally got to get inside he head/heart again. Having her insights is so invaluable. It really helped ground us -- especially those of us that have always been Dany fans -- in the why/what/how and why of who Dany has become. It really helped justify and balance all the nonsense from ep5.

[dimejinky99]

Only complaint I have about this one was every setup in it needed, well, more set up.
Jon killing Dany in particular.
Wish it had been a full season but overall I can’t complain about what we saw.

Don’t care or need to be spoon fed about irrelevant details like what happens the Dothraki or Any of that.

[epilogue]

again, i think you can attribute 90% of this nonsense to the showrunners' bizarre choice to abbreviate the last two seasons.

i just don't understand why you'd put so many countless resources and time into something where you meticulously pour your heart and soul into it, only to have your give-a-shitter break at the end which colors everything you accomplished up until that point.

Agreed. Season 7 should have been the full 10 episodes ending with Battle of Winterfell. Leave it on a cliffhanger then wrap it up episode 1 Season 8. If they wanted a shorter season fine, but at least we would have gotten like 3 additional episode which would have helped develop and finish all these story lines. It was all just too rushed and it didn't have to be. That and Jon should not have been outcast.

As I said before, Jon should have died. It's the only thing that makes sense to me and satisfies. BUT if he's going to live, then the choice to go North should have been his own. The biggest problem with Jon throughout the series (but especially in these last couple seasons) is his total lack of agency. I mean, I guess, yeah, he does stuff. But he basically just does what people tell him to do.

Not that any of it matters anyway, because, as Bran tells us again and again, it was always going to be this way. So...

I think there’s a difference in what he’s told and what he chooses:

The only thing he has been told and lacked some agency over is his positions. Lord Commander, king in the north, rightful heir, etc. What Jon has agency over is his decisions while being in those positions: sheltering freefolk, bending the knee, etc

Except, again, Bran.

is that an exception to what I said?

Bran illustrates that, in fact, Jon has no agency over his decisions. That's all.

I don’t know if Bran is saying it’s predestination, but rather more of “you cannot be anywhere that you’re not supposed to be” he’s not Billy Pilgrim

"Look, bish, the only reason I even rolled up in hrrr is cuz I knew you were gonna make me king -- which I don't want but okay!"