Red Mosquito

darth_vedder wrote:

jwfocker wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:I read last night Lucas originally planned for Vader and Boba Fett to be brothers, and for Palpatine to be Anakin's "force father."

read that too. Lucas had a lot of 'great' ideas. Too bad they all didn't come about.

Link?

McParadigm wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Honestly, Vader and Boba being brothers doesn't strike me as a terrible idea. Though I suppose it would have just pointlessly crowded the narrative.

Which makes it a terrible idea

Simple Torture wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:I was under the impression that China had the same opening weekend. This is an outrage!

Confucius say, "Check release calendars before guessing, or you'll have egg on your face."

6) Han going back to being a smuggler. So his son turns evil, he and Leia separate, and he just goes back to smuggling? Seems beneath him, considering he was a general. Why not just take another position in the New Republic away from Leia?

darth_vedder wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:I was really pleased with how quickly the movie got right to the intro. No fancy Disney or Bad Robot graphic. Just Lucasfilms and then A long time ago graphics. Smart move.

I felt just the opposite. Really missed that Fox fanfare.

Me too, that for me was always one of the most chill bump inducing moments.

McParadigm wrote:

6) Han going back to being a smuggler. So his son turns evil, he and Leia separate, and he just goes back to smuggling? Seems beneath him, considering he was a general. Why not just take another position in the New Republic away from Leia?

One of the biggest reasons I'm repelled by the thought of this movie is that they felt they had to undo ALL of the victories from the original trilogy.

They beat the Empire! No they really didn't.

Luke faced the ultimate temptation, and is now a true Jedi who will bring light and hope to the galaxy. No he failed and skipped town, leaving everyone to their own, but he left a fucking treasure map because lol.

Han Solo grew as a person, found his conscience, and fell in love. Nah being a dad was hard and shit so he literally rejected all of it and went back to pirating.

It's like the fear of having to come up with new ideas was so great, that they had to dismantle the ending of a great story arc. The Han Solo story is now "he was a bit of a scumbag then was nice for a while then a scumbag again and then died." No thanks. I am perfectly content with keeping it at "they blew up the empire and lived happily ever after," for those characters.

McParadigm wrote:

6) Han going back to being a smuggler. So his son turns evil, he and Leia separate, and he just goes back to smuggling? Seems beneath him, considering he was a general. Why not just take another position in the New Republic away from Leia?

One of the biggest reasons I'm repelled by the thought of this movie is that they felt they had to undo ALL of the victories from the original trilogy.

They beat the Empire! No they really didn't.

Simple Torture wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

6) Han going back to being a smuggler. So his son turns evil, he and Leia separate, and he just goes back to smuggling? Seems beneath him, considering he was a general. Why not just take another position in the New Republic away from Leia?

One of the biggest reasons I'm repelled by the thought of this movie is that they felt they had to undo ALL of the victories from the original trilogy.

They beat the Empire! No they really didn't.

This is the only one I'll quibble with; it's not surprising to me at all that there's a "remnant" left after the Empire ostensibly falls with the death of the Emperor, as there almost certainly would've been a bunch of lackeys jockeying for position and trying to climb the ladder with the power vacuum left behind. There's a fascinating story to be told about the difference between constituting and constituted power, but (1) I don't think Abrams can tell it and (2) I don't think the general audience is interested.

McParadigm wrote:

6) Han going back to being a smuggler. So his son turns evil, he and Leia separate, and he just goes back to smuggling? Seems beneath him, considering he was a general. Why not just take another position in the New Republic away from Leia?

One of the biggest reasons I'm repelled by the thought of this movie is that they felt they had to undo ALL of the victories from the original trilogy.

They beat the Empire! No they really didn't.

Luke faced the ultimate temptation, and is now a true Jedi who will bring light and hope to the galaxy. No he failed and skipped town, leaving everyone to their own, but he left a fucking treasure map because lol.

Han Solo grew as a person, found his conscience, and fell in love. Nah being a dad was hard and shit so he literally rejected all of it and went back to pirating.

It's like the fear of having to come up with new ideas was so great, that they had to dismantle the ending of a great story arc. The Han Solo story is now "he was a bit of a scumbag then was nice for a while then a scumbag again and then died." No thanks. I am perfectly content with keeping it at "they blew up the empire and lived happily ever after," for those characters.

darth_vedder wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

6) Han going back to being a smuggler. So his son turns evil, he and Leia separate, and he just goes back to smuggling? Seems beneath him, considering he was a general. Why not just take another position in the New Republic away from Leia?

One of the biggest reasons I'm repelled by the thought of this movie is that they felt they had to undo ALL of the victories from the original trilogy.

They beat the Empire! No they really didn't.

Luke faced the ultimate temptation, and is now a true Jedi who will bring light and hope to the galaxy. No he failed and skipped town, leaving everyone to their own, but he left a fucking treasure map because lol.

Han Solo grew as a person, found his conscience, and fell in love. Nah being a dad was hard and shit so he literally rejected all of it and went back to pirating.

It's like the fear of having to come up with new ideas was so great, that they had to dismantle the ending of a great story arc. The Han Solo story is now "he was a bit of a scumbag then was nice for a while then a scumbag again and then died." No thanks. I am perfectly content with keeping it at "they blew up the empire and lived happily ever after," for those characters.

That's kinda what I'm feeling too. The more I think about this movie, the move I kinda wish I didn't see it. I was fine with the happy ending of ROTJ. I don't think I needed to see this story. Eh, I don't know, lots of mixed emotions with this flick. While it was enjoyable, it just didn't seem necessary, and yeah, it un-did all the effort that led up to the ROTJ ending. Maybe I didn't like this film. Can that be? Can I actually side with LV on this? NO!!!!!!!!!!!

spike wrote:http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-questions/

Monkey_Driven wrote:If anything, the Force Awakens makes me appreciate the ending of Return of the Jedi more. It's like the party when Obama got elected. Everyone was celebrating the victory, but the real work and difficulties were ahead.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:If anything, the Force Awakens makes me appreciate the ending of Return of the Jedi more. It's like the party when Obama got elected. Everyone was celebrating the victory, but the real work and difficulties were ahead.

FUCK THAT SHIT

spike wrote:

darth_vedder wrote:So a few things I wasn't crazy about...

1) Lack of politics. I didn't wan't taxations of trade routes or anything, but some of the history of the New Republic / Resistance, and the aftermath of the Empire / First Order would have been nice.

2) The planets of the New Republic blowing up. Similar to Alderan, and just like with that planet, we never get an emotional connection to it (one of the many things the prequels failed at IMO).

3) The general story being very much like ANH. While I liked the look / feel of the movie, it was a little too close to the ANH plot line for me. Would have rather seen a more ambitious plot, but not so ambitious that it doesn't make any sense (like the prequels).

4) Snope. He looked like Voldermort, and just really felt out of place. Also, how did he come to power after the Emperor? How did he convert Ben Solo to Kylo Ren? What the hell are the Knights of Ren? Why introduce that and not just have a new Sith Order?

5) How did Rey and Finn escape Jakku? I mean in ANH, when the Falcon bolts out of Mos Eisley, the Empire is hot on their heals. Why didn't they try to get the Falcon? Where was the pursuit?

6) Han going back to being a smuggler. So his son turns evil, he and Leia separate, and he just goes back to smuggling? Seems beneath him, considering he was a general. Why not just take another position in the New Republic away from Leia?

7) The Resistance. They mention the New Republic, so it exists, why is Leia's group know as the resistance? Why not just call it the New Republic? Why have two names for essentially the same thing?

That's all I can think of now, and I'll put together a list of things I did like. Overall, I liked the film, but I didn't love it.

relax, in 17 months, some of that will reveal itself

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:I was really pleased with how quickly the movie got right to the intro. No fancy Disney or Bad Robot graphic. Just Lucasfilms and then A long time ago graphics. Smart move.

I felt just the opposite. Really missed that Fox fanfare.

McParadigm wrote:

6) Han going back to being a smuggler. So his son turns evil, he and Leia separate, and he just goes back to smuggling? Seems beneath him, considering he was a general. Why not just take another position in the New Republic away from Leia?

One of the biggest reasons I'm repelled by the thought of this movie is that they felt they had to undo ALL of the victories from the original trilogy.

They beat the Empire! No they really didn't.

Luke faced the ultimate temptation, and is now a true Jedi who will bring light and hope to the galaxy. No he failed and skipped town, leaving everyone to their own, but he left a fucking treasure map because lol.

Han Solo grew as a person, found his conscience, and fell in love. Nah being a dad was hard and shit so he literally rejected all of it and went back to pirating.

It's like the fear of having to come up with new ideas was so great, that they had to dismantle the ending of a great story arc. The Han Solo story is now "he was a bit of a scumbag then was nice for a while then a scumbag again and then died." No thanks. I am perfectly content with keeping it at "they blew up the empire and lived happily ever after," for those characters.

darth_vedder wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

6) Han going back to being a smuggler. So his son turns evil, he and Leia separate, and he just goes back to smuggling? Seems beneath him, considering he was a general. Why not just take another position in the New Republic away from Leia?

One of the biggest reasons I'm repelled by the thought of this movie is that they felt they had to undo ALL of the victories from the original trilogy.

They beat the Empire! No they really didn't.

Luke faced the ultimate temptation, and is now a true Jedi who will bring light and hope to the galaxy. No he failed and skipped town, leaving everyone to their own, but he left a fucking treasure map because lol.

Han Solo grew as a person, found his conscience, and fell in love. Nah being a dad was hard and shit so he literally rejected all of it and went back to pirating.

It's like the fear of having to come up with new ideas was so great, that they had to dismantle the ending of a great story arc. The Han Solo story is now "he was a bit of a scumbag then was nice for a while then a scumbag again and then died." No thanks. I am perfectly content with keeping it at "they blew up the empire and lived happily ever after," for those characters.

That's kinda what I'm feeling too. The more I think about this movie, the move I kinda wish I didn't see it. I was fine with the happy ending of ROTJ. I don't think I needed to see this story. Eh, I don't know, lots of mixed emotions with this flick. While it was enjoyable, it just didn't seem necessary, and yeah, it un-did all the effort that led up to the ROTJ ending. Maybe I didn't like this film. Can that be? Can I actually side with LV on this? NO!!!!!!!!!!!

Monkey_Driven wrote:If anything, the Force Awakens makes me appreciate the ending of Return of the Jedi more. It's like the party when Obama got elected. Everyone was celebrating the victory, but the real work and difficulties were ahead.