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SPEENO--bird from hell or lovely peacock. Let's discuss.
Posted: Sat March 23, 2013 7:17 pm
by knee tunes
If you would, please. Start watching by no sooner than 2:10.
What exactly, musically, is going on between 2:29 - 2:42 that makes that part of the song sound so good...?
I've been trying to put my finger on it but I don't know what it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It0F-jQkiKA
Re: I would like an explanation on "Hard to Imagine"
Posted: Sat March 23, 2013 7:27 pm
by matt reeder
That's the moment where that song really takes off. Oh, how I long to hear it live one day...
Re: I would like an explanation on "Hard to Imagine"
Posted: Sat March 23, 2013 7:28 pm
by bada
When you have a quite song where all the parts are defined and then you segue into a new more uptempo uplifting riff in the outro I don't know the technical term is if there is one but those type of transitions are pretty effective at eliciting an emotional response. Other examples would be the outro to the Alice In Chains song 'Don't Follow' and the GnR song 'Patience'.
Re: I would like an explanation on "Hard to Imagine"
Posted: Sat March 23, 2013 7:39 pm
by stip
matt reeder wrote:That's the moment where that song really takes off. Oh, how I long to hear it live one day...
it is pretty great.
Re: I would like an explanation on "Hard to Imagine"
Posted: Sat March 23, 2013 7:39 pm
by stip
bada wrote:When you have a quite song where all the parts are defined and then you segue into a new more uptempo uplifting riff in the outro I don't know the technical term is if there is one but those type of transitions are pretty effective at eliciting an emotional response. Other examples would be the outro to the Alice In Chains song 'Don't Follow' and the GnR song 'Patience'.
that part of don't follow is sooo good. but then again everything about don't follow is amazing. that is AIC's best song.
Re: I would like an explanation on "Hard to Imagine"
Posted: Sat March 23, 2013 11:58 pm
by warehouse
the first part is just that one riff and the descending (i think?) part when he sings "its hard to imagine"
2:29 it changes to a chord progression A-some weird version of A-G. the riff might even be in A, but the change from a riff to a power chord helps effect the mood of the song.
plus, its an incredible song.
Re: I would like an explanation on "Hard to Imagine"
Posted: Sun March 24, 2013 12:05 am
by verb_to_trust
bada wrote:When you have a quite song where all the parts are defined and then you segue into a new more uptempo uplifting riff in the outro I don't know the technical term is if there is one but those type of transitions are pretty effective at eliciting an emotional response. Other examples would be the outro to the Alice In Chains song 'Don't Follow' and the GnR song 'Patience'.
This is probably subconsciously reinforced by Eddie singing "things were different then..."
Re: I would like an explanation on "Hard to Imagine"
Posted: Sun March 24, 2013 12:51 am
by oasisfan35
stip wrote:bada wrote:When you have a quite song where all the parts are defined and then you segue into a new more uptempo uplifting riff in the outro I don't know the technical term is if there is one but those type of transitions are pretty effective at eliciting an emotional response. Other examples would be the outro to the Alice In Chains song 'Don't Follow' and the GnR song 'Patience'.
that part of don't follow is sooo good. but then again everything about don't follow is amazing.
that is AIC's best song.
That is a bold statement and I feel that I may agree.
Re: I would like an explanation on "Hard to Imagine"
Posted: Sun March 24, 2013 1:00 am
by Birds in Hell
I really like Alice in Chains, but I think Don't Follow is awful.
Rotten Apple and Nutshell are great, but the rest of Jar of Flies is some of my least favourite material in their catalogue (not counting the post-Layne stuff, which I have no interest in.
Think I'll throw Sludge Factory on.
Re: I would like an explanation on "Hard to Imagine"
Posted: Sun March 24, 2013 1:04 am
by VinylGuy
Birds in Hell wrote:I really like Alice in Chains, but I think Don't Follow is awful.
Rotten Apple and Nutshell are great, but the rest of Jar of Flies is some of my least favourite material in their catalogue (not counting the post-Layne stuff, which I have no interest in.)
Jar of flies is perfect. Thats a perfect EP. The most perfect EP in the history of EPs.
Re: I would like an explanation on "Hard to Imagine"
Posted: Sun March 24, 2013 1:10 am
by stip
VinylGuy wrote:Birds in Hell wrote:I really like Alice in Chains, but I think Don't Follow is awful.
Rotten Apple and Nutshell are great, but the rest of Jar of Flies is some of my least favourite material in their catalogue (not counting the post-Layne stuff, which I have no interest in.)
Jar of flies is perfect. Thats a perfect EP. The most perfect EP in the history of EPs.
Re: I would like an explanation on "Hard to Imagine"
Posted: Sun March 24, 2013 1:11 am
by Birds in Hell
VinylGuy wrote:Birds in Hell wrote:I really like Alice in Chains, but I think Don't Follow is awful.
Rotten Apple and Nutshell are great, but the rest of Jar of Flies is some of my least favourite material in their catalogue (not counting the post-Layne stuff, which I have no interest in.)
Jar of flies is perfect. Thats a perfect EP. The most perfect EP in the history of EPs.
Needs more gloom and heaviness.
Re: I would like an explanation on "Hard to Imagine"
Posted: Sun March 24, 2013 4:03 am
by knee tunes
warehouse wrote:the first part is just that one riff and the descending (i think?) part when he sings "its hard to imagine"
2:29 it changes to a chord progression A-some weird version of A-G. the riff might even be in A, but the change from a riff to a power chord helps effect the mood of the song.
plus, its an incredible song.
I was trying to figure out just exactly what it was. I'm not sure it's only a simple A to G though.
I was thinking it was either
A) magic,
B) the known anticipation of the band "hitting it" coming right up, or
B) the surprise of a wonderfully-placed sans solo
Re: I would like an explanation on "Hard to Imagine"
Posted: Sun March 24, 2013 4:26 am
by VinylGuy
Birds in Hell wrote:VinylGuy wrote:Birds in Hell wrote:I really like Alice in Chains, but I think Don't Follow is awful.
Rotten Apple and Nutshell are great, but the rest of Jar of Flies is some of my least favourite material in their catalogue (not counting the post-Layne stuff, which I have no interest in.)
Jar of flies is perfect. Thats a perfect EP. The most perfect EP in the history of EPs.
Needs more gloom and heaviness.
Its really heavy and gloomy. Just not in the music, but in the lyrics and overall feeling.
Re: I would like an explanation on "Hard to Imagine"
Posted: Sun March 24, 2013 12:28 pm
by stip
unless someone has physically slit their wrists or OD'd during the recording Speeno thinks it sounds too much like U2
Re: I would like an explanation on "Hard to Imagine"
Posted: Sun March 24, 2013 2:10 pm
by McParadigm
Hard to Imagine has a cool feel, and some powerful elements that seem to touch on a lot of the band's other sounds without repeating them, but is decidedly undercooked. That's actually a really good combination for outtakes, in general.
Re: I would like an explanation on "Hard to Imagine"
Posted: Sun March 24, 2013 2:13 pm
by @SkitchP
Re: I would like an explanation on "Hard to Imagine"
Posted: Sun March 24, 2013 2:18 pm
by Jorge
@SkitchP wrote:stip wrote:Speeno
A lot of people seem to call him that.
Re: I would like an explanation on "Hard to Imagine"
Posted: Sun March 24, 2013 2:27 pm
by epilogue
theplatypus wrote:@SkitchP wrote:stip wrote:Speeno
A lot of people seem to call him that.
AND ITS ALL YOUR FAULT
Thank you, by the way.
Re: I would like an explanation on "Hard to Imagine"
Posted: Sun March 24, 2013 2:47 pm
by stip
I will never call anyone by their stupid name change if I know who the original poster was.