Red Mosquito

vs.

Longview by a million

Voting for "Kiss Me". "Longview" is the most boring song on Dookie

Ewwwwwww...somebody actually covered Kiss Me? the original is a fucking steaming pile of dogshit. this is why nobody respects you Pop Punk.

mf wrote: this is why nobody respects you Pop Punk.

That's definitely not why

theplatypus wrote:

mf wrote: this is why nobody respects you Pop Punk.

That's definitely not why

ok it's one of about 30 reasons. but terrible covers that nobody asked for is a pretty big one.

I like the original "Kiss Me" -- it's a sweet song with a nice melody. This cover is merely OK, but I'm picking it over "Longview" because "Longview" is such a goddamn drag

Covers of pop songs is one of the best things about pop punk.

I love NFG but unfortunately this isn't in the top 10 of their best covers, way too straight forward and didn't really do much with it. Love their first covers album, though. Glory of Love, Everything I Do, and My Heart Will Go On.

Vote for NFG.

Agree with 4/5. The genre's ability to kinda poke fun at its pop sensibilities is probably the most endearing thing about it.

Jim Adkins from JEW does a cover of George Michael's Last Christmas that I adore.

Punk is just a loud form of pop music. That's why punk bands covering pop songs works. And why Me First and the Gimme Gimmes rule so hard.

I'd be happy if Longview won this whole thing.

theplatypus wrote:Punk is just a loud form of pop music.

No

I agree that "Longview" isn't one of Green Day's finer moments but count me in as one who very quickly got his fill of the punk-covers-pop thing -- a good idea that was completely run aground. Vote for Green Day.

tragabigzanda wrote:

theplatypus wrote:Punk is just a loud form of pop music.

No

Actually, yeah. Seems pretty obvious. It's what the originators of the genre modeled themselves after, and it tends to follow the formula pretty closely. I know that it's got a bunch of other influences in there -- krautrock, dub, 60s garage, some avant-garde stuff -- but so does "pop".

theplatypus wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

theplatypus wrote:Punk is just a loud form of pop music.

No

Actually, yeah. Seems pretty obvious. It's what the originators of the genre modeled themselves after, and it tends to follow the formula pretty closely. I know that it's got a bunch of other influences in there -- krautrock, dub, 60s garage, some avant-garde stuff -- but so does "pop".

I think you're taking the Sex Pistols / Ramones style of punk and applying it to a genre that is far more broad and diverse. See Circle Jerks, Minutemen, X-Ray Spex, Husker Du, Baseball Furies, etc for bands whom I would argue were not at all modeling their sound after pop music. The pop-punk explosion we all experienced in the aughts was way more derivative of pop music in its catchy/commercial intentions than the original movement.

And even those 70s/80s bands that DID echo some pop motifs were able to apply them in a subversive way, The Clash being an obvious example. I think that saying "Punk is just a loud form of pop music" completely ignores both the spirit and composition of a large swath of punk.

True, it is a very broad generalization and there are a lot of sub-genres within punk where that wouldn't apply, hardcore and post-hardcore being among them (though I would argue that pop was a big part of Husker Du's sound, at least from New Day Rising forward). There are also bands like Crass, which veer into noise-rock freakery and sound as far removed as pop as you could ever be. But I do think that statement does apply to a majority of the genre, from the first-wavers to the late-80s "melodic hardcore" reinassance through the early skate-punk stuff and particularly the styles of "punk" that are covered in this tournament.

theplatypus wrote:True, it is a very broad generalization and there are a lot of sub-genres within punk where that wouldn't apply, hardcore and post-hardcore being among them (though I would argue that pop was a big part of Husker Du's sound, at least from New Day Rising forward). There are also bands like Crass, which veer into noise-rock freakery and sound as far removed as pop as you could ever be. But I do think that statement does apply to a majority of the genre, from the first-wavers to the late-80s "melodic hardcore" reinassance through the early skate-punk stuff and particularly the styles of "punk" that are covered in this tournament.

This is way more nuanced and I support it

I love Longview. Not even gonna listen to the other one

Longview is pretty good.