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56. Release vs. Marker In the Sand
Posted: Wed March 17, 2021 12:16 am
by stip
Release vs. Marker In the Sand
Re: 56. Release vs. Marker In the Sand
Posted: Wed March 17, 2021 12:33 am
by stip
Marker is an upper middle song on S/T. It was an early favorite when the album came out (and I really went all in for the chorus and the U2esque outro) but it hasn't aged super well. The production does it absolutley no favors (it's a song that needs to sound much richer and robust then it does) and there has always been a bit of a Frankenstein quality to it - a verse and bridge that didn't quite fit with the chorus and outro.
Release is nearly perfect. Every studio version, every live version, they're always as raw as an open wound and as comforting as the bandage that wraps around it.
Re: 56. Release vs. Marker In the Sand
Posted: Wed March 17, 2021 12:35 am
by knee tunes
stip wrote:
always as raw as an open wound and as comforting as the bandage that wraps around it.
that's poetry
Re: 56. Release vs. Marker In the Sand
Posted: Wed March 17, 2021 12:38 am
by PHATJ
Re: 56. Release vs. Marker In the Sand
Posted: Wed March 17, 2021 1:18 am
by Strat
OH dear mom, can you see me now?
Re: 56. Release vs. Marker In the Sand
Posted: Wed March 17, 2021 1:27 am
by wease
Strat wrote:OH dear mom, can you see me now?

Re: 56. Release vs. Marker In the Sand
Posted: Wed March 17, 2021 1:44 am
by Stardog Champion
Release
And not at all surprising that this is a shutout at this point in the voting.
Re: 56. Release vs. Marker In the Sand
Posted: Wed March 17, 2021 1:48 am
by tragabigzanda
Release is still as beautiful as when it came out, and Marker In the Sand is Marker In The Sand.
Re: 56. Release vs. Marker In the Sand
Posted: Wed March 17, 2021 2:06 am
by Jaeti
Good vs. Great. Release.
Re: 56. Release vs. Marker In the Sand
Posted: Wed March 17, 2021 2:33 am
by epilogue
I can't say this is a difficult vote. It isn't. Release is clearly better. But I love Marker so much and I'm so bummed that it's already on its way out of the tournament.
Re: 56. Release vs. Marker In the Sand
Posted: Wed March 17, 2021 2:35 am
by knee tunes
epilogue wrote:I can't say this is a difficult vote. It isn't. Release is clearly better. But I love Marker so much and I'm so bummed that it's already on its way out of the tournament.
These tournaments make me cringe sometimes.
It's inevitable who the winners are going to be. We all have our favorites and it seems everyone else is out to crush them. Especially trag and wease.

Re: 56. Release vs. Marker In the Sand
Posted: Wed March 17, 2021 2:57 am
by LetMeSleep
Marker for me.
Re: 56. Release vs. Marker In the Sand
Posted: Wed March 17, 2021 4:36 am
by digster
It's kind of a shame for me to have to vote against Marker this early; there may be no PJ song that's improved more for me over the years than this one. I used to really dislike what I felt what a disjointed and mismatched verse and chorus; whenever I got into the verse, the chorus would arrive and take me out of it. Now, I hear what they were going for; it may still be a tad clunky, which keeps it from being a 5-star song, but the song more than makes up for it everywhere else. I still think that instrumental bridge, and how it launches into the final verse, is one of my favorite PJ moments on record over the past 20 years.
So I'm going with Release, but Marker's having to leave earlier than it should.
Re: 56. Release vs. Marker In the Sand
Posted: Wed March 17, 2021 4:38 am
by Higgs
Release is just special.
Re: 56. Release vs. Marker In the Sand
Posted: Wed March 17, 2021 1:35 pm
by VinylGuy
Release is one of the best songs in history period.
Re: 56. Release vs. Marker In the Sand
Posted: Wed March 17, 2021 1:39 pm
by Monkey_Driven
tragabigzanda wrote:Release is still as beautiful as when it came out, and Marker In the Sand is Marker In The Sand.
Re: 56. Release vs. Marker In the Sand
Posted: Wed March 17, 2021 2:01 pm
by PHATJ
VinylGuy wrote:Release is one of the best songs in history period.
Re: 56. Release vs. Marker In the Sand
Posted: Wed March 17, 2021 3:13 pm
by Jaeti
digster wrote:I still think that instrumental bridge, and how it launches into the final verse, is one of my favorite PJ moments on record over the past 20 years.
I like Marker, even though I don't quite think it's great. But this moment of it definitely is.
Re: 56. Release vs. Marker In the Sand
Posted: Wed March 17, 2021 4:05 pm
by stip
there have been quite a few strong bridge/final verse transitions on the last few albums
Life Wasted
World Wide Suicide
Marker
Gonna See My Friend
Sirens
all come to mind
Re: 56. Release vs. Marker In the Sand
Posted: Wed March 17, 2021 5:48 pm
by Jaeti
S/T's first five tracks all really have the bridge/transition working.