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Redistricting

Posted: Tue August 10, 2021 11:54 am
by Green Habit
This is going to be real awesome to follow:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/re ... 2022-maps/

Re: The US Census / Citizenship Question

Posted: Thu August 12, 2021 6:06 pm
by McParadigm
In purely functional immediate (redistricting) terms this is a very unexpected boon to Democrats, and in future political decision-making terms, this is it:

Re: The US Census / Citizenship Question

Posted: Thu August 12, 2021 6:37 pm
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE

Re: The US Census / Citizenship Question

Posted: Thu August 12, 2021 7:01 pm
by elliseamos
tragabigzanda wrote:I’m with you on the future plans for the GOP coalition build, but thing about the immediate impact on redistricting feels somewhat premature. As for apportionment, wouldnt the rural losses just mean that the rural areas are even further lumped together, with the potential benefit of picking up some suburban/geographically outlying urban areas to make the numbers work?
I feel like it doesn't matter what the numbers say, the GOP is drawing the lines in their favor regardless.

Re: The US Census / Citizenship Question

Posted: Thu August 12, 2021 7:07 pm
by Bi_3
elliseamos wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:I’m with you on the future plans for the GOP coalition build, but thing about the immediate impact on redistricting feels somewhat premature. As for apportionment, wouldnt the rural losses just mean that the rural areas are even further lumped together, with the potential benefit of picking up some suburban/geographically outlying urban areas to make the numbers work?
I feel like it doesn't matter what the numbers say, the GOP is drawing the lines in their favor regardless.
Is this really a thing we need to be worried about?

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... pe-2021-22

Re: The US Census / Citizenship Question

Posted: Thu August 12, 2021 7:28 pm
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE

Re: The US Census / Citizenship Question

Posted: Thu August 12, 2021 9:57 pm
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE

Re: The US Census / Citizenship Question

Posted: Thu August 12, 2021 10:36 pm
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE

Re: The US Census / Citizenship Question

Posted: Thu August 12, 2021 10:40 pm
by Bi_3
tragabigzanda wrote:I just don’t see these results having a real impact on the immediate districting battles. It’s still largely going to be a fight for the suburban vote, Andy I don’t see any shift in tactics prior to 2022.
He would have loved that

Re: Congress

Posted: Sat August 14, 2021 10:55 pm
by Green Habit
I get that Democrats can't unilaterally disarm, but ugh gerrymandering is ugly. Proportional representation FTW.

Re: The US Census / Citizenship Question

Posted: Mon August 16, 2021 11:43 pm
by McParadigm

Re: The US Census / Citizenship Question

Posted: Mon August 16, 2021 11:52 pm
by surfndestroy
McParadigm wrote:
I am confused. Is gerrymandering a good thing or bad thing?

Re: The US Census / Citizenship Question

Posted: Tue August 17, 2021 12:01 am
by 4/5
surfndestroy wrote: I am confused. Is gerrymandering a good thing or bad thing?
Depends what state we're talking about.

Re: The US Census / Citizenship Question

Posted: Tue August 17, 2021 12:53 am
by McParadigm
surfndestroy wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
I am confused. Is gerrymandering a good thing or bad thing?
A bad thing. And also a “neither side will trust the other enough to deescalate” kind of thing

Re: The US Census / Citizenship Question

Posted: Tue August 17, 2021 1:08 am
by elliseamos
McParadigm wrote:
surfndestroy wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
I am confused. Is gerrymandering a good thing or bad thing?
A bad thing. And also a “neither side will trust the other enough to deescalate” kind of thing
It's a bad thing. But if this is how the game must be played, then played it shall be.

Re: The US Census / Citizenship Question

Posted: Tue August 17, 2021 2:07 am
by Green Habit
elliseamos wrote:It's a bad thing. But if this is how the game must be played, then played it shall be.
I'm going to be very curious to see if Dem-dominated states that have independent redistricting commissions push to get rid of them for this reason. California is the most prominent in that regard.

Re: The US Census / Citizenship Question

Posted: Tue August 17, 2021 2:10 am
by elliseamos
Green Habit wrote:
elliseamos wrote:It's a bad thing. But if this is how the game must be played, then played it shall be.
I'm going to be very curious to see if Dem-dominated states that have independent redistricting commissions push to get rid of them for this reason. California is the most prominent in that regard.
I'm sure independence has a price, GH. Soros is a wealthy man.

Re: Redistricting

Posted: Tue August 17, 2021 2:19 am
by Green Habit
I was thinking this would go better in the Congress thread, others were bumping the Census thread, so I thought I'd just move all these posts into a redistricting thread of its own.

Re: Redistricting

Posted: Tue August 17, 2021 2:37 am
by BurtReynolds
Never unilaterally disarm.

Re: The US Census / Citizenship Question

Posted: Tue August 17, 2021 4:09 am
by simple schoolboy
Green Habit wrote:
elliseamos wrote:It's a bad thing. But if this is how the game must be played, then played it shall be.
I'm going to be very curious to see if Dem-dominated states that have independent redistricting commissions push to get rid of them for this reason. California is the most prominent in that regard.
Ah yes, California's famously independent in name if not in deed redistricting comission.

Its a relatively new creature, well after single party rule was established. Its not what it pretends to be.