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MM 2-1: Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes
Posted: Sat March 09, 2024 1:05 am
by stip
Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes
Voting closes 8 PM 3/10 EST
Re: MM 2-1: Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes
Posted: Sat March 09, 2024 1:14 am
by stip
Mankind is fun, and over the years as I've gotten enough Pearl Jam to not resent when Eddie isn't singing I have grown to appreciate it. But it's a novelty song, and I would have rather seen Black Red Yellow occupy this weird spot on the album
I've talked about Off He Goes plenty of times. the music is beautiful. One of their prettiest songs. But I've always struggled with this lyrics, and while I think Eddie's vocals on No Code are in general too nasally (this is probably the album of vocals I like the least), it's particularly noticeable here.
Betterman, on the other hand, is simply one of the best crafted and performed bittersweet pop rock songs probably ever. Just a stunning piece we absolutely take for granted after it became a bootleg main stay. The tag from State College 03 remains my favorite.
Re: MM 2-1: Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes
Posted: Sat March 09, 2024 1:15 am
by stip
Of all the 'Eddie does a character songs' Betterman probably has the most emotional depth. And "She lies and says she's in love with him. Can't find a better man" is such a heartbreaking line that explains the entire song. Perfect writing.
Re: MM 2-1: Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes
Posted: Sat March 09, 2024 1:33 am
by liebzz
What’s got the whole world faking?
Re: MM 2-1: Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes
Posted: Sat March 09, 2024 1:55 am
by Birds in Hell
Off He Goes should win this match in a landslide.
Just a great song and a gorgeous recording.
Re: MM 2-1: Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes
Posted: Sat March 09, 2024 3:46 am
by epilogue
Birds in Hell wrote:Off He Goes should win this match in a landslide.
Just a great song and a gorgeous recording.
Spenno gets it
Re: MM 2-1: Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes
Posted: Sat March 09, 2024 4:10 am
by WaitingForBluey
Off He Goes by a mile
Betterman is just annoying at this point
Re: MM 2-1: Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes
Posted: Sat March 09, 2024 5:23 am
by Anders
Off He Goes
Re: MM 2-1: Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes
Posted: Sat March 09, 2024 5:29 am
by Anders
Birds in Hell wrote:Off He Goes should win this match in a landslide.
Just a great song and a gorgeous recording.
Yes
Re: MM 2-1: Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes
Posted: Sat March 09, 2024 8:04 am
by Higgs
stip wrote:Betterman, on the other hand, is simply one of the best crafted and performed bittersweet pop rock songs probably ever. Just a stunning piece we absolutely take for granted
Re: MM 2-1: Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes
Posted: Sat March 09, 2024 8:05 am
by Anders
But it’s no Off He Goes.
Re: MM 2-1: Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes
Posted: Sat March 09, 2024 8:06 am
by Higgs
Anders wrote:But it’s no Off He Goes.
No. It's better, man.
Re: MM 2-1: Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes
Posted: Sat March 09, 2024 8:26 am
by Anders
Off he goes again, but no.
Re: MM 2-1: Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes
Posted: Sat March 09, 2024 1:00 pm
by Gigalogy84
Better Man is my favorite PJ song so it gets my vote.
Re: MM 2-1: Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes
Posted: Sat March 09, 2024 2:40 pm
by liebzz
My vote for Mankind is feeling like a vote for Ralph Nader. I may reconsider to tip the scales properly.
Re: MM 2-1: Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes
Posted: Sat March 09, 2024 4:25 pm
by Strat
epilogue wrote:Birds in Hell wrote:Off He Goes should win this match in a landslide.
Just a great song and a gorgeous recording.
Spenno gets it
Yup absolutely.
No slouch to Betterman but Off He Goes is so gorgeous and what i would reach for today
Re: MM 2-1: Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes
Posted: Sat March 09, 2024 6:44 pm
by liebzz
When I change my vote in the last minute, I just want all of you to picture this:
Re: MM 2-1: Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes
Posted: Sat March 09, 2024 9:11 pm
by epilogue
Strat wrote:epilogue wrote:Birds in Hell wrote:Off He Goes should win this match in a landslide.
Just a great song and a gorgeous recording.
Spenno gets it
Yup absolutely.
No slouch to Betterman but Off He Goes is so gorgeous and what i would reach for today
Yeah buddy! I fucking love Betterman. It's just that Off He Goes is better, man!
Re: MM 2-1: Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes
Posted: Sun March 10, 2024 3:33 pm
by digster
Yep, Betterman is great, but Off He Goes clears it. It's one of the best studio recordings they've ever done.
Re: MM 2-1: Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes
Posted: Sun March 10, 2024 4:59 pm
by liebzz
I think if you judge how the studio recordings sound, Off He Goes for me wins by a mile. Better Man transforms itself live on a good night, and Off He Goes barely gets played possibly because it doesn’t naturally fit into an arena rattling experience, but the strength of its studio recording pushes it forward for me. And that’s I think saying a lot of my end since I probably listen to a fair deal more live music than studio.