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4-11: Pilate vs. I Am Mine

Posted: Tue March 25, 2025 11:22 pm
by stip
Pilate vs. I Am Mine

Re: 4-11: Pilate vs. I Am Mine

Posted: Tue March 25, 2025 11:23 pm
by stip
Pilate has grown on me as I've gotten less precious about what Pearl Jam should be and more forgiving of songs without Eddie lyrics.

But I Am Mine is the best song on Riot Act (or Binaural), and is inexplicably underappreciated around here

Re: 4-11: Pilate vs. I Am Mine

Posted: Wed March 26, 2025 1:11 am
by 96583UP
this is a good matchup

Re: 4-11: Pilate vs. I Am Mine

Posted: Wed March 26, 2025 1:37 am
by liebzz
Here’s my unpopular opinion: I Am Mine is maybe the least inspired song on Riot Act. Ed’s not selling the vocals all that well, Mike’s solo is so dime a dozen for him I swear his fret has paint-by-numbers on it for him, and the best part of the song is the intro, which promises something unique and you get a Pearl Jam song instead that could fart out in their sleep. Granted, I am a biased fan and I like the song anyway, but it is a rare Epic era Pearl Jam song that does sort of fall asleep at the wheel.

Re: 4-11: Pilate vs. I Am Mine

Posted: Wed March 26, 2025 2:33 am
by wease
stip wrote:But I Am Mine is the best song on Riot Act (or Binaural), and is inexplicably underappreciated around here
You’re a madman.

Re: 4-11: Pilate vs. I Am Mine

Posted: Wed March 26, 2025 2:37 am
by Kalevi
stip wrote:
But I Am Mine is the best song on Riot Act (or Binaural), and is inexplicably underappreciated around here
This is correct

Re: 4-11: Pilate vs. I Am Mine

Posted: Wed March 26, 2025 2:52 am
by epilogue
I Am Mine is 100% under appreciated around here.

Pilate is a cool song, but this shouldn't be close.

Re: 4-11: Pilate vs. I Am Mine

Posted: Wed March 26, 2025 3:15 am
by Jaeti
liebzz wrote:Here’s my unpopular opinion: I Am Mine is maybe the least inspired song on Riot Act. Ed’s not selling the vocals all that well, Mike’s solo is so dime a dozen for him I swear his fret has paint-by-numbers on it for him, and the best part of the song is the intro, which promises something unique and you get a Pearl Jam song instead that could fart out in their sleep. Granted, I am a biased fan and I like the song anyway, but it is a rare Epic era Pearl Jam song that does sort of fall asleep at the wheel.

Re: 4-11: Pilate vs. I Am Mine

Posted: Wed March 26, 2025 4:43 am
by Anders
I Am Mine

Re: 4-11: Pilate vs. I Am Mine

Posted: Wed March 26, 2025 12:13 pm
by epilogue
liebzz wrote:Here’s my unpopular opinion: I Am Mine is maybe the least inspired song on Riot Act. Ed’s not selling the vocals all that well, Mike’s solo is so dime a dozen for him I swear his fret has paint-by-numbers on it for him, and the best part of the song is the intro, which promises something unique and you get a Pearl Jam song instead that could fart out in their sleep. Granted, I am a biased fan and I like the song anyway, but it is a rare Epic era Pearl Jam song that does sort of fall asleep at the wheel.
A lot iof people have expressed this (or similar) sentiment over the years. So, I have to believe the song has that quality to it somehow. But I've never heard it. And I don't understand how others do.

I think the song is sweeping and powerful and moving. It still gives me chills when I hear it, even after all these years.

Re: 4-11: Pilate vs. I Am Mine

Posted: Wed March 26, 2025 12:44 pm
by stip
Mike has done solos like this a number of times since, but this feels like (other than wishlist) maybe the first time something like this appeared. What predates it?

Re: 4-11: Pilate vs. I Am Mine

Posted: Wed March 26, 2025 12:58 pm
by lvc
Kalevi wrote:
stip wrote:
But I Am Mine is the best song on Riot Act (or Binaural), and is inexplicably underappreciated around here
This is correct
No, this is correct:
wease wrote:
stip wrote:But I Am Mine is the best song on Riot Act (or Binaural), and is inexplicably underappreciated around here
You’re a madman.

Re: 4-11: Pilate vs. I Am Mine

Posted: Wed March 26, 2025 12:59 pm
by lvc
stip wrote:Mike has done solos like this a number of times since, but this feels like (other than wishlist) maybe the first time something like this appeared. What predates it?
I've always thought the solo on I Am Mine reminiscent of the solo at the end of Leash. A short burst of catharsis at the end.

Re: 4-11: Pilate vs. I Am Mine

Posted: Wed March 26, 2025 1:12 pm
by liebzz
I think if you took Down, which is crisper sounding and the jam at the end isn’t profound but it has a significantly more bite to it that makes the song sort of hook into you rather than I Am Mine, whose solo is just sort of lamely plopped on top, it paints to me a more distinct feature of the point I am making. Similarly, Down sounds a bit more buoyant but the heart of it is urging the listener to pick a side, whereas I Am Mine has an intention to signify resistance to being something other than yourself, but Ed’s vocal delivery isn’t as defying as the message, it skates across the surface of what he’s getting at rather than soaring. It’s mutedness, which suits some songs more than others, becomes more bland than sweeping when I hear it.

Re: 4-11: Pilate vs. I Am Mine

Posted: Wed March 26, 2025 2:11 pm
by ABNorman
Like Pilate, I Am Mine vote

Re: 4-11: Pilate vs. I Am Mine

Posted: Wed March 26, 2025 2:37 pm
by Chris_H_2
epilogue wrote:I Am Mine is 100% under appreciated around here.

Pilate is a cool song, but this shouldn't be close.
we couldn't be further away on the pearl jam musical spectrum

Re: 4-11: Pilate vs. I Am Mine

Posted: Wed March 26, 2025 2:48 pm
by epilogue
Chris_H_2 wrote:
epilogue wrote:I Am Mine is 100% under appreciated around here.

Pilate is a cool song, but this shouldn't be close.
we couldn't be further away on the pearl jam musical spectrum
Not surprising

Re: 4-11: Pilate vs. I Am Mine

Posted: Wed March 26, 2025 6:29 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
Pilate easily

Re: 4-11: Pilate vs. I Am Mine

Posted: Wed March 26, 2025 6:43 pm
by bodysnatcher
E.H. Ruddock wrote:Pilate easily

Re: 4-11: Pilate vs. I Am Mine

Posted: Wed March 26, 2025 6:56 pm
by stip
liebzz wrote:I think if you took Down, which is crisper sounding and the jam at the end isn’t profound but it has a significantly more bite to it that makes the song sort of hook into you rather than I Am Mine, whose solo is just sort of lamely plopped on top, it paints to me a more distinct feature of the point I am making. Similarly, Down sounds a bit more buoyant but the heart of it is urging the listener to pick a side, whereas I Am Mine has an intention to signify resistance to being something other than yourself, but Ed’s vocal delivery isn’t as defying as the message, it skates across the surface of what he’s getting at rather than soaring. It’s mutedness, which suits some songs more than others, becomes more bland than sweeping when I hear it.
Down is an optimistic song from start to finish. I Am Mine is about crawling out of your despair to find that space. They're doing different things. Even if you like Down more, I think it's misleading to say that it's a more successful I Am Mine (if that's what you were doing).

I think the I Am Mine solo, rather than feeling tagged on, feels bracing and alive in contrast to the rest of the muted, almost mournful music