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MC2-15: Setting Sun vs. Help Help

Posted: Thu April 02, 2026 1:52 am
by stip
Setting Sun vs. Help Help

Re: MC1-15: Setting Sun vs. Help Help

Posted: Thu April 02, 2026 1:52 am
by stip
setting sun is one of pearl jam's best songs. Help help is not. It is better live, though

Re: MC1-15: Setting Sun vs. Help Help

Posted: Thu April 02, 2026 2:36 am
by Birds in Hell
Setting Sun unfortunately disqualified due to Wotman’s co-authorship (applying the BiH rulebook)

Congratulations Help Help on a victory by default

Re: MC1-15: Setting Sun vs. Help Help

Posted: Thu April 02, 2026 3:22 am
by Matters
Help Help is definitely one of Pearl Jam’s best songs. Damn this is a tough one.

Re: MC1-15: Setting Sun vs. Help Help

Posted: Thu April 02, 2026 3:23 am
by Matters
Birds in Hell wrote:Setting Sun unfortunately disqualified due to Wotman’s co-authorship (applying the BiH rulebook)
Do you hold Crazy Mary and Army Reserve to the same standard?

Re: MC1-15: Setting Sun vs. Help Help

Posted: Thu April 02, 2026 10:50 am
by lvc
Matters wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Setting Sun unfortunately disqualified due to Wotman’s co-authorship (applying the BiH rulebook)
Do you hold Crazy Mary and Army Reserve to the same standard?
What’s this about army reserve? I’d never heard of a co-authorship.

Re: MC1-15: Setting Sun vs. Help Help

Posted: Thu April 02, 2026 10:51 am
by Birds in Hell
Matters wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Setting Sun unfortunately disqualified due to Wotman’s co-authorship (applying the BiH rulebook)
Do you hold Crazy Mary and Army Reserve to the same standard?
Neither is really comparable, in my mind at least.

Crazy Mary is a cover.

Army Reserve has some lyrics contributed by someone outside the band, which is hard to get worked up about.

Re: MC1-15: Setting Sun vs. Help Help

Posted: Thu April 02, 2026 10:54 am
by Birds in Hell
lvc wrote:
Matters wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Setting Sun unfortunately disqualified due to Wotman’s co-authorship (applying the BiH rulebook)
Do you hold Crazy Mary and Army Reserve to the same standard?
What’s this about army reserve? I’d never heard of a co-authorship.
Damien Echols co-wrote the lyrics with Ed.

Re: MC1-15: Setting Sun vs. Help Help

Posted: Thu April 02, 2026 1:05 pm
by Jaeti
Help Help would probably be on my personal underrated/hidden gem/whatever list. I've always liked it, it's very good, and I don't think of it very often, so there's no fatigue or boredom associated with it. But Setting Sun is just better.

Re: MC1-15: Setting Sun vs. Help Help

Posted: Thu April 02, 2026 1:09 pm
by epilogue
I like both but this isn't a contest.

Help Help is an all-timer.

Re: MC1-15: Setting Sun vs. Help Help

Posted: Thu April 02, 2026 3:47 pm
by lvc
Birds in Hell wrote:
lvc wrote:
Matters wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Setting Sun unfortunately disqualified due to Wotman’s co-authorship (applying the BiH rulebook)
Do you hold Crazy Mary and Army Reserve to the same standard?
What’s this about army reserve? I’d never heard of a co-authorship.
Damien Echols co-wrote the lyrics with Ed.
By that measure you’d have to disqualify smile because someone else drew the crooked hearts with swirls all around.

Re: MC2-15: Setting Sun vs. Help Help

Posted: Fri April 03, 2026 1:58 am
by stip
help help wins because RM is fucking terrible sometimes