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Mastered For iTunes

Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 8:52 pm
by Norah
http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2012 ... ally-means

Interesting read.
If the implication there, that we haven't been treating our portable, compressed audio files with proper care, makes you think that Apple is finally moving toward a hi-def format, you'd be wrong. Instead, the company is asking bands and their labels to submit songs to the store that are encoded as AAC files directly from the original, 24-bit studio recordings.
That paragraph is actually corrected at the end. Studios aren't submitting compressed songs to apple, but showing engineers what the encoding process is doing to the music in terms of clipping. Then they can master with that in mind, and submit this master to iTunes in an uncompressed lossless format. Apple actually does the encoding before posting them for sale. More on that later.

Bob Ludwig claims lossy files done this way are better than lossless CD rips, a claim I am skeptical of.
For Bob Ludwig, a mastering engineer who remastered Coldplay's latest album, Mylo Xyloto, for the new "Mastered for iTunes" store, this makes sense. "From a technical viewpoint, there are cases where the lossy 24-bit AAC file would be superior to the lossless CD," Ludwig wrote in an email. "I did an early demonstration for some engineer friends of mine and the difference between the 'Mastered for iTunes' file I created and the one that was ripped from a 16-bit CD was easily heard on the little speakers on my MacBook Pro."
The author of the article compared a lossy CD rip to a lossy Mastered for iTunes file and said the latter sounded noticeably better.
I listened to the two versions of Coldplay's single, "Every Teardrop Is A Waterfall," to test the difference. (I can't post audio samples of the two versions of the track here because the encoding process a file goes through in any audio editor obscures those subtle differences, but if you have a CD version of any of the albums in the "Mastered for iTunes" section of the store, you can compare easily by ripping the tracks at "iTunes Plus" quality.) Played over decent headphones, I could hear subtle differences, especially where the mix was denser and more complicated. Ludwig's "Mastered for iTunes" version sounds slightly less crowded, with clearer distinctions between similar tones in acoustic guitar and piano and sharper, less distorted drums.
And it looks like there's some philosophical pushback, and naysayers who think engineers should be committed to putting out music in better quality formats, instead of trying to polish their turds (my editorial)
There's an implication there that bugs some people who believe iTunes, which is the single largest music retailer in the world, should do more to push the market toward higher-quality files, where those restrictions don't exist. John Vanderslice, a musician who owns Tiny Telephone, a recording studio in San Francisco where Death Cab For Cutie, Spoon, The Mountain Goats, Kronos Quartet and tUnE-yArDs have all recorded, thinks that asking the industry to make a commitment to highly compressed digital files is misguided.

Vanderslice's studio doesn't do mastering, but as a musician, producer and studio owner, he hears many albums before and after the mastering process. "The idea of mastering is that you have the definitive high resolution product and you wilfully ignore every other variable downstream," he says, "whether it's compression codecs or speakers or whether someone's listening to it on earbuds."

The idea of mastering for a lesser format, Vanderslice says, is "completely insane. My first reaction was it would be like if you were a writer and you were told that you would have to re-edit your book for the dimwitted or the dyslexic."
About the correction up top:
Why is this significant? Because the fact that Apple retains the lossless versions of the high-quality studio masters means that iTunes, at any time it decides to, can begin selling higher-quality encodes, or even lossless files.

Re: Mastered For iTunes

Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 8:58 pm
by KurtLeon
ok, and?

Re: Mastered For iTunes

Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 8:58 pm
by Norah
It's interesting. And it's pertinent considering what we're all listening is a "Mastered for iTunes" rip.

Re: Mastered For iTunes

Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 9:00 pm
by McParadigm
KurtLeon wrote:ok, and?
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Re: Mastered For iTunes

Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 9:01 pm
by Norah
McParadigm wrote:
KurtLeon wrote:ok, and?
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That picture works on a few levels.

Re: Mastered For iTunes

Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 9:02 pm
by KurtLeon
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Im just messing around, chud. It sure is interesting. I always tend to buy a physical copy of the disc to enjoy the best quality I can, since I don't have a great quality headphone or sound system :/

Re: Mastered For iTunes

Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 9:47 pm
by evenslow
McParadigm wrote:
KurtLeon wrote:ok, and?
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This is what I picture when you try to get the whole boots/lawyer meme off the ground.

Re: Mastered For iTunes

Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 10:10 pm
by stip
Will you be testing this with both formats Chud (with anything, not necessarily Lbolt)

Re: Mastered For iTunes

Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 10:26 pm
by Jorge
KurtLeon wrote:ok, and?
:lol:

Re: Mastered For iTunes

Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 11:39 pm
by mastaflatch
the encoder for this is LAME :evil:

Re: Mastered For iTunes

Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 11:42 pm
by Revelator
Is there a better version (like proper version) of LB out there other than the fucking itunes rip?

Re: Mastered For iTunes

Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 11:45 pm
by Birds in Hell
Revelator wrote:Is there a better version (like proper version) of LB out there other than the fucking itunes rip?
Yes, there's a full iTunes version out there (accessed via iTunes Match) at 256kbps AAC.

The album's out down here tomorrow so I presume some copies are already "out there", it shouldn't be long til FLAC rips turn up.

Re: Mastered For iTunes

Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 11:51 pm
by Revelator
Birds in Hell wrote:
Revelator wrote:Is there a better version (like proper version) of LB out there other than the fucking itunes rip?
Yes, there's a full iTunes version out there (accessed via iTunes Match) at 256kbps AAC.

The album's out down here tomorrow so I presume some copies are already "out there", it shouldn't be long til FLAC rips turn up.
Awesome, if you happen to have it....

Re: Mastered For iTunes

Posted: Thu October 10, 2013 12:12 am
by Norah
mastaflatch wrote:the encoder for this is LAME :evil:
No, it ain't.

Re: Mastered For iTunes

Posted: Thu October 10, 2013 12:16 am
by zeb
Good thread.

Re: Mastered For iTunes

Posted: Thu October 10, 2013 2:09 am
by LetMeSleep

Re: Mastered For iTunes

Posted: Thu October 10, 2013 2:12 am
by Norah
ok, and?

Re: Mastered For iTunes

Posted: Thu October 10, 2013 3:20 am
by dkfan9
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Re: Mastered For iTunes

Posted: Thu October 10, 2013 8:50 am
by LetMeSleep
cutuphalfdead wrote:ok, and?
Thought it was interesting and didn't know where to put it. Carry on.

Re: Mastered For iTunes

Posted: Thu October 10, 2013 1:04 pm
by nomorecrackpipes
Thanks for the link. Once again, convenience wins out over quality.

I wonder if the PJ shop Apple Lossless downloads will be the "mastered for iTunes" version, where the FLAC version is the regular mastering.