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Match EA: Deep vs. Help Help
Posted: Wed March 19, 2014 1:14 am
by stip
EA
Re: Match EA: Deep vs. Help Help
Posted: Wed March 19, 2014 1:17 am
by PHATJ
This is a tough one. I dig both of these songs. I voted Help Help but early live versions of Deep can be amazing.
Re: Match EA: Deep vs. Help Help
Posted: Wed March 19, 2014 1:24 am
by stip
Deep. It's not a favorite but I do like it, and despite some valiant attempts on my part I just can't get myself to care much about help help
Re: Match EA: Deep vs. Help Help
Posted: Wed March 19, 2014 2:10 am
by CopperTom
Help Help. "The man they call my enemy. I've seen his eyes, he looks just me." line is superb.
Re: Match EA: Deep vs. Help Help
Posted: Wed March 19, 2014 2:27 am
by Simple Torture
Help Help is a forgotten diamond in the rough. Deep is just OK.
Re: Match EA: Deep vs. Help Help
Posted: Wed March 19, 2014 2:45 am
by McParadigm
I have to go Help Help
Literally no band could cover Deep without it suffering a quality drop, because the writing is insufficient to support the drama. It, like so many Who classics, grows strong solely on the fact that it is written to exactly the band that is playing it.
But the "tell me lies" not-quite-plea ("I don't really know that I want this, but it will make my day go by easier so grant me this one simple ease...") and subsequent horror speak to my adult moral pursuits and failures, and to the awareness of inexactness therein, more than the easy comfort of "rapists are bad WHOAH CANT TOUCH.."
Re: Match EA: Deep vs. Help Help
Posted: Wed March 19, 2014 3:06 am
by chewm
Help Help, love that song
Re: Match EA: Deep vs. Help Help
Posted: Wed March 19, 2014 4:48 am
by Norah
Help Help is leaps and bounds better than Deep.
Re: Match EA: Deep vs. Help Help
Posted: Wed March 19, 2014 4:52 am
by Kaius
Help Help
Though I love me something Deep
Re: Match EA: Deep vs. Help Help
Posted: Wed March 19, 2014 4:57 am
by Birds in Hell
I like Help Help an awful lot but I'm absurdly fond of Deep's churning sway so Deep it is.
Re: Match EA: Deep vs. Help Help
Posted: Wed March 19, 2014 4:57 am
by Kaius
I won't be mad either way here.
Re: Match EA: Deep vs. Help Help
Posted: Wed March 19, 2014 5:28 am
by LetMeSleep
Deep. One of the few Ten tracks I'd choose to listen to today. HH is ordinary.
Re: Match EA: Deep vs. Help Help
Posted: Wed March 19, 2014 5:28 am
by malice
deep
Re: Match EA: Deep vs. Help Help
Posted: Wed March 19, 2014 9:57 am
by stip
McParadigm wrote:I have to go Help Help
Literally no band could cover Deep without it suffering a quality drop, because the writing is insufficient to support the drama. It, like so many Who classics, grows strong solely on the fact that it is written to exactly the band that is playing it.
But the "tell me lies" not-quite-plea ("I don't really know that I want this, but it will make my day go by easier so grant me this one simple ease...") and subsequent horror speak to my adult moral pursuits and failures, and to the awareness of inexactness therein, more than the easy comfort of "rapists are bad WHOAH CANT TOUCH.."
Deep is a younger song, but there is more going on there than you are allowing for. The absence of content and context in help help should no more be seen as a sign of sophistication than a particular detail should become the entirety of a story
Re: Match EA: Deep vs. Help Help
Posted: Wed March 19, 2014 10:27 am
by ABNorman
Help Help is one of the bright spots on a turgid mess of an album. Even so, most pre-2000 songs poop on it from varying heights.
Deep.
Re: Match EA: Deep vs. Help Help
Posted: Wed March 19, 2014 11:48 am
by stupidmop
I do love Help Help.
But, Deep.
Re: Match EA: Deep vs. Help Help
Posted: Wed March 19, 2014 11:49 am
by Norah
Did someone really just call help help ordinary?
Re: Match EA: Deep vs. Help Help
Posted: Wed March 19, 2014 11:52 am
by LetMeSleep
cutuphalfdead wrote:Did someone really just call help help ordinary?

Re: Match EA: Deep vs. Help Help
Posted: Wed March 19, 2014 11:53 am
by Norah
Re: Match EA: Deep vs. Help Help
Posted: Wed March 19, 2014 11:59 am
by LetMeSleep
Had a listen again. It's certainly not a favourite and is stuck in one of my least favourite runs in their entire catalogue. Ordinary may not be the right word but it's not ever been enjoyed by me. In fact, I probably enjoyed it the most just then.