Red Mosquito

I was playing around on WhatIfSports.com for the first time in forever when I saw that you can put together "Dream Teams" and match them up against other dream teams now. It got me thinking, and I was curious as to if anyone would want to take part in a dream team tournament. I figured we'd limit it to the 90s since all of the baseball nerds on here seem well versed in that decade, and I think it's more fun to dig deeper into what we're all familiar with than to skim amongst the elite from 110+ years worth of baseball. I'm open to widening it up though, maybe go 1980-today or something. I dunno, it all depends on if anyone else wants to try this.

It looks like you need to draft at least 12 position players and six pitchers for a WhatIfSports team. We could do twenty rounds of picks. It also looks like you pick each player from a specific year, so a dude with only one great year is just as valuable as a dude with 15 great years, since you have to pick a specific year. But yeah, I'm thinking we could have the site simulate seven game series once the teams are set. I dunno. I'm just spit-balling here. If there's interest I'll do some more research as to ways to decide winners, but I figure the simulations are better than voting.

So yeah. If anybody wants to try this, or try to do something like this, I'd be game to try to run it. We can deal with all the details once we establish whether or not there's any interest.

Alright, so we're definitely doing this. It's going to be post-strike era seasons only (1995-2013). We will all draft teams, and then run them through the WhatIfSports Dream Team simulators in best of seven series, with the winners advancing.

Some rules...

1. There will be 25 rounds of picks. Each team needs at least 12 position players (C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, three OFs, and four utility players of any position as designated by the site) and 6 pitchers.

2. A player can only appear on one team, even though you ultimately decide on a single season for them. So for instance, whoever picks Roger Clemens gets whichever post-strike Clemens season he wants, and no one else can take a different one. You don't have to decide which season of theirs you want until we begin the tournament, though.

3. You need to pick and designate a home ballpark, since the site takes that into consideration in its simulations.

4. Each person has two hours to make their picks. The clock is suspended between 10PM & 8AM Eastern time. Picks can still be made in that window, but people whose clocks start after 10 can't be skipped until the clock starts again. We do still strongly encourage you to send a few proxy picks to someone who isn't picking again until after you before you head to bed.

5. If your turn comes up and you're still on the hook for a previous pick where your time ran out, you'll receive a one hour slot instead of two. If you're on the hook for two picks and your turn comes up a third time, you'll be skipped instantly till you return and pick. Once you catch up, you're back to the standard two hours.

DRAFT RESULTS

Spoiler: show

Garainals (Old Busch Stadium, owner "Kaius")
1. Albert Pujols
18. Curt Schilling
19. Derek Jeter
36. Chris Carpenter
37. Tony Gwynn
54. Tom Glavine
55. Ryan Howard
71. Gary Sheffield
72. Kenny Lofton
90. Alfonso Soriano
91. CC Sabathia
106. Max Scherzer
107. Yu Darvish
125. Yadier Molina
126. Matt Carpenter
143. Pablo Sandoval
144. Huston Street
162. Lance Berkman
163. Adam Wainwright
179. Bernie Williams
181. Ray Lankford
196. Brian Jordan
197. Edgar Renteria
214. Matt Holliday
215. Royce Clayton

Winning By Numbers (Fenway Park, owner "Lament")
2. Pedro Martinez
17. Albert Belle
20. Todd Helton
35. Johan Santana
38. Roberto Alomar
53. Omar Vizquel
56. Jake Peavy
70. Ken Caminiti
73. Francisco Rodriguez
88. Johnny Damon
89. Mike Mussina
105. Todd Hundley
108. Ellis Burks
124. B.J. Ryan
127. Jason Varitek
142. Ugeth Urbina
145. Billy Hamilton Brian Hunter
161. Rick Aguilera
164. Trot Nixon
178. Scott Sauerbeck
180. Alex Gonzalez
196. Kaz Sasaki
200. JT Snow
214. Billy Koch
218. John Wetteland

BigRedLedbetters (Ameriquest Field in Arlington, owner "RangersFan80")
3. Barry Bonds
16. Ivan Rodriguez
21. Zack Greinke
34. Cliff Lee
39. Kevin Brown
52. Chipper Jones
57. Bobby Abreu
69. Joey Votto
74. Edgar Martinez
87. Barry Larkin
92. Darin Erstad
109. Brett Boone
110. Mike Hampton
123. Aroldis Chapman
128. Koji Uehara
141. Tom Gordon
147. Troy Percival
160. Armando Benitez
165. Octavio Dotel
177. Placido Polanco
182. Hung-Chih Kuo
197. Reggie Sanders
201. Mike Napoli
212. Brian Duensing
219. Craig Gentry

Phil City Pritchards (Rogers Centre, owner "joemaximus")
4. Randy Johnson
15. Mike Piazza
22. Larry Walker
33. Vlad Guerrero
40. Felix Hernandez
51. Chuck Knoblauch
58. Mark McGwire
77. David Wright
79. Grady Sizemore
86. Pat Hentgen
93. Troy Tulowitzki
104. Craig Kimbrel
111. Ben Sheets
122. Rob Nen
135. Dellin Batances Greg? Holland
140. Jake McGee
148. Jeff Bagwell
159. Jimmy Rollins
166. David Wells
174. John Olerud
184. Matt Harvey
195. Jim Edmonds
202. Paul Quantrill
211. Jason Kendall
220. Shawn Green

The Chudville Nine (PNC Park, owner "pnclarke")
5. Manny Ramirez
14. John Smoltz
23. Sammy Sosa
32. Nomar Garciapara
41. Clayton Kershaw
50. Javy Lopez
59. Carlos Beltran
68. Dustin Pedroia
75. Bill Mueller
85. David Ortiz
94. Josh Johnson
103. Jonathan Papelbon
112. Derek Lowe
121. John Franco
129. Joe Nathan
139. Keith Foulke
146. Mo Vaughn
158. Dave Roberts
168. Gabe Kapler
172. Kenley Jansen
195. Jose Altuve
192. Mike Timlin
203. Hideki Okajima
210. Jose Iglesias
221. Victor Martinez

Kesha's Pet Penguins (Coors Field, owner "Lament")
6. Mike Trout
13. Adrian Beltre
24. Frank Thomas
31. Jeff Kent
42. Miguel Tejada
49. Josh Hamilton
60. Buster Posey
67. Jose Bautista
76. David Price
84. Johnny Cueto
95. Barry Zito
102. Trevor Hoffman
113. Esteban Loaiza
120. Billy Wagner
130. Joakim Soria
138. Randy Myers
150. Rafael Palmeiro
157. Rafael Soriano
167. Brady Anderson
179. Travis Hafner
186. Jermaine Dye
191. Paul Konerko
204. Cliff Politte
209. Neal Cotts
222. Mark Buehrle

Argonauts (Old Yankee Stadium, owner "argonaut645")
7. Ken Griffey Jr
12. Roy Halladay
25. Justin Verlander
30. Jim Thome
43. Joe Mauer
48. Mark Prior
61. Robinson Cano
66. Evan Longoria
78. Mariano Rivera
83. Matt Kemp
96. Chone Figgins
101. Jose Reyes
114. Roy Oswalt
119. David Cone
131. Carl Crawford
137. David Robertson
151. Carlos Marmol
156. Steve Kline
169. Mark Melancon
173. Rafael Furcal
187. Arthur Rhodes
180. Prince Fielder
205. Juan Pierre
208. Carlos Quention
223. Bengie Molina

Traded By The Marlins (Joe Robbie Stadium, owner "199720032014")
8. Cal Ripken Jr Jason Giambi
11. Greg? Maddux
28. Craig Biggio
29. Ichiro Suzuki
44. Scott Rolen
47. Andy Pettitte
62. Tim Lincecum
65. Andruw Jones
79. Hanley Ramirez
82. Ryan Braun
99. Marcus Giles
100. Justin Thompson
115. Mark Teixeira
118. Tim Hudson
132. Curtis Granderson
136. Chris Davis
154. Jose Fernandez
155. Bartolo Colon
175. Chuck Finley
176. Luis Castillo
193. Giancarlo Stanton
194. Josh Beckett
213. Jeff Conine
215. Brad Penny
224. Dave Magadan Charles Johnson

@SkitchP (Tiger Stadium, owner "Skitchp")
9. Roger Clemens
10. Alex Rodriguez
26. Chase Utley
27. Eric Gagne
45. Miguel Cabrera
46. Dontrelle Willis
63. Ben Zobrist
64. Andrew McCutchen
80. Carlos Gomez
81. Jacoby Ellsbury
97. J.D. Drew
98. J.J. Putz
116. Luis Gonzalez
117. Fernando Rodney
133. Brad Lidge
134. Cole Hamels
152. Ubaldo Jimenez
153. Tyler Clippard
170. Jorge Posada
171. Carlos Delgado
188. Alex Gordon
189. Joel Zumaya
206. Carlos Guillen
207. Alex Avila
225. Ben Grieve

SEEDING

1. Argonauts
2. BigRedLedbetters
3. Garainals
4. SkitchP
5. Phil City Pritchards
6. The Chudville Nine
7. Winning By Numbers
8. Traded By The Marlins
9. Kesha's Pet Penguins

MATCHUPS

Play-in round:

8. Traded By The Marlins vs. 9. Kesha's Pet Penguins
(Kesha's Pet Penguins win series, 4-2)

Spoiler: show

Game 1: Traded By The Marlins 6, Kesha's Pet Penguins 1
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... &pbp=0&tf=

Game 2: Kesha's Pet Penguins 11, Traded By The Marlins 5
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... &pbp=0&tf=

Game 3: Kesha's Pet Penguins 6, Traded By The Marlins 5
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... &pbp=0&tf=

Game 4: Traded By The Marlins 10, Kesha's Pet Penguins 9
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... &pbp=0&tf=

Game 5: Kesha's Pet Penguins 2, Traded By The Marlins 0
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... &pbp=0&tf=

Game 6: Kesha's Pet Penguins 8, Traded By The Marlins 3
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... &pbp=0&tf=

First round:

1. Argonauts vs. 9. Kesha's Pet Penguins
(Argonauts win series, 4-1)

Spoiler: show

Game 1: Argonauts 5, Kesha's Pet Penguins 4
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... &pbp=0&tf=

Game 2: Kesha's Pet Penguins 6, Argonauts 1
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 3: Argonauts 8, Kesha's Pet Penguins 3
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 4: Argonauts 12, Kesha's Pet Penguins 4
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 5: Argonauts 13, Kesha's Pet Penguins 5
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

2. BigRedLedbetters vs. 7. Winning By Numbers
(Winning By Numbers win series, 4-2)

Spoiler: show

Game 1: Winning By Numbers 4, BigRedLedbetters 3
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... &pbp=0&tf=

Game 2: Winning By Numbers 6, BigRedLedbetters 4
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 3: BigRedLedbetters 10, Winning By Numbers 9 (11 innings)
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 4: BigRedLedbetters 8, Winning By Numbers 5
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 5: Winning By Numbers 20, BigRedLedbetters 5
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 6: Winning By Numbers 6, BigRedLedbetters 4
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

3. Garainals vs. 6. The Chudville Nine
(Garainals win series, 4-3)

Spoiler: show

Game 1: The Chudville Nine 15, Garainals 2
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... &pbp=0&tf=

Game 2: Garainals 8, The Chudville Nine 4
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 3: Garainals 5, The Chudville Nine 1
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 4: Garainals 8, The Chudville Nine 1
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 5: The Chudville Nine 10, Garainals 2
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 6: The Chudville Nine 7, Garainals 4
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 7: Garainals 4, The Chudville Nine 2
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

4. SkitchP vs. 5. Phil City Pritchards
(SkitchP wins series, 4-3)

Spoiler: show

Game 1: SkitchP 6, Phil City Pritchards 5
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... &pbp=0&tf=

Game 2: Phil City Pritchards 11, SkitchP 8
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 3: SkitchP 8, Phil City Pritchards 7
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 4: Phil City Pritchards 12, SkitchP 4
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 5: SkitchP 6, Phil City Pritchards 3
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 6: Phil City Pritchards 5, SkitchP 4
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 7: SkitchP 7, Phil City Pritchards 6
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Semifinals:

1. Argonauts vs. 4. SkitchP
(SkitchP wins series, 4-3)

Spoiler: show

Game 1: SkitchP 7, Argonauts 5
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 2: Argonauts 6, SkitchP 5 (10 innings)
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 3: Argonauts 8, SkitchP 5
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 4: SkitchP 6, Argonauts 5
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 5: Argonauts 3, SkitchP 2
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 6: SkitchP 10, Argonauts 2
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 7: SkitchP 4, Argonauts 2
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

3. Garainals vs. 7. Winning By Numbers
(Winning By Numbers win series, 4-2)

Spoiler: show

Game 1: Winning By Numbers 11, Garainals 2
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 2: Winning By Numbers 3, Garainals 2
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 3: Winning By Numbers 5, Garainals 3
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 4: Garainals 5, Winning By Numbers 3
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 5: Garainals 4, Winning By Numbers 3
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 6: Winning By Numbers 9, Garainals 4
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

WORLD SERIES:

4. SkitchP vs. 7. Winning By Numbers
(SkitchP wins series, 4-0)

Spoiler: show

Game 1: SkitchP 9, Winning By Numbers 4
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 2: SkitchP 5, Winning By Numbers 3
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 3: SkitchP 8, Winning By Numbers 2
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Game 4: SkitchP 7, Winning By Numbers 4
http://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscor ... pbp=0&tf=0

Tournament MVP: Alex Rodriguez (.351, 7 HRs, 22 RBIs)

I've never done anything on WhatIfSports, but it sounds like the kind of thing that could consume and gradually ruin my life.

I'm so in.

But if I don't get John Olerud's 1993, I quit.

Sounds fun to me.

WILL THE SIMULATION HAVE AN ANTI-STEROID BIAS!?!?!

I'm hoping it has a pro-steroid bias.

Lament wrote:I'm hoping it has a pro-steroid bias.

we're the only barry bonds fans on this board, bro

I feel so close to you right now.

Can you draft three different Barry Bonds and have him man your whole OF? Or multiple Maddux's?

Lament wrote:I feel so close to you right now.

i became a bonds fan when i was young just to spite the braves fans here

plus, he was incredible

4/5 wrote:Can you draft three different Barry Bonds and have him man your whole OF? Or multiple Maddux's?

I would want to keep it to each player can only appear on one team, regardless of season. But if everyone disagreed, we could theoretically have people picking the same player, but from different years.

WhatIfSports produce a box score and a play-by-play recap of every simulation, so if we can find a way to do with the free options on their site, this could actually be pretty cool.

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:

Lament wrote:I feel so close to you right now.

i became a bonds fan when i was young just to spite the braves fans here

plus, he was incredible

Any reason is a good reason to be a Bonds fan in my book.

On second thought, having multiple Maddux's in the OF sounds like a terrible idea.

You could always put Mike in left and Greg? in right.

This sounds fun and interesting. I'm down.

philpritchard wrote:But if I don't get John Olerud's 1993, I quit.

I was at this game. Olerud was so locked in that summer good lord. This was the last time I got to see Ryan pitch as well.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes ... 7250.shtml

Alright, well between phil, 4/5, BRL, and me, we've at least got enough for an LCS style playoff.

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:

Lament wrote:I'm hoping it has a pro-steroid bias.

we're the only barry bonds fans on this board, bro

I'd call myself a Bonds fan. Not a hater by any means. He without question belongs in the HoF in my eyes.

Alright, I played around a bit with the Dream Team simulations, and we can definitely make this happen.

So we'll do a 20 round draft. Every team needs at least twelve position players and six pitchers. Also, you need to choose what historical stadium is your team's home ballpark (they take this kind of stuff into consideration in the simulations).

So that leaves these two questions/options...

1. Should we have a period limit on players? Or should it be any season from any point in baseball history? I personally would prefer to keep it contemporary with whoever ends up joining.

2. Should we let players appear on multiple teams as long as they're taking different seasons? I'd prefer not to. So there can only be one Bonds/Maddux/Clemens/etc.

Your thoughts?

Lament wrote:Alright, well between phil, 4/5, BRL, and me, we've at least got enough for an LCS style playoff.

I'm sure some of the other guys from the MLB thread would be interested. Question, though: are we allowing the Red Sox fans to participate? Maybe we should have a vote.

Also, I'm pretty sure the plural of Maddux is Maddices.

This seems really cool, but there's no way my personal knowledge would suffice for a draft like this. Is there a rankings list/cheat sheet to go off of, or do you have to search for specific players/positions?

philpritchard wrote:Also, I'm pretty sure the plural of Maddux is Maddices.

Madduxi?