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Round 1D: Rearviewmirror vs. Of the Earth vs. Ghost

Posted: Sun February 07, 2016 1:24 pm
by stip
Vote for your favorite

Re: Round 1D: Rearviewmirror vs. Of the Earth vs. Ghost

Posted: Sun February 07, 2016 1:30 pm
by B
I don't really care for any of these 3. RVM, I guess, b/c it's on the greatest hits.

Re: Round 1D: Rearviewmirror vs. Of the Earth vs. Ghost

Posted: Sun February 07, 2016 1:32 pm
by stip
These days I'd probably rather listen to Ghost just because I've heard RVM hundreds of times. But that's not really RVM's fault. It is heads and shoulders above ghost.


Maybe the studio version of of the earth will sell me on the song if it ever surfaces. The live versions have not.

Re: Round 1D: Rearviewmirror vs. Of the Earth vs. Ghost

Posted: Sun February 07, 2016 1:49 pm
by Kevin Davis
One thing I love about "RVM" is how thoroughly the studio version bowls me over after a period of having accustomed to too-fast live versions where Eddie can barely be bothered to approach the microphone. This is one of the few "Vs." songs that, to my ears, advances the band's musicianship away from free-flowing lyrical rambles with choruses and towards something more tightly wound from a compositional standpoint. The song also has a dramatic climax like nothing else in their songbook -- by bottling up all of its catharsis into a moment of pure release (the first time the title line is shouted going into the outro), I find it actually ends up packing a far greater wallop than the more purely testosterone-based numbers on the record like "Blood" or "Leash," which have not worn half as well for me.

But fuck it -- I'm voting for "Ghost." The whole "Riot Act"-era vibe -- the warm, vaguely fuzzy, in-the-room ambience, the world-weary pseudo-philosophy of it all -- it just hits that sweet spot for me. "RVM" is a dramatic high point of PJ's early catalog, but "Ghost" is a simple rocker that I just never tire of.

"Of the Earth" is cool, but not really in the conversation for me.

Re: Round 1D: Rearviewmirror vs. Of the Earth vs. Ghost

Posted: Sun February 07, 2016 1:50 pm
by LoathedVermin72
I love "Ghost", but come on, seriously. The answer here is RVM.

Re: Round 1D: Rearviewmirror vs. Of the Earth vs. Ghost

Posted: Sun February 07, 2016 1:52 pm
by Kevin Davis
LoathedVermin72 wrote:I love "Ghost", but come on, seriously. The answer here is RVM.
I just gotta be true to myself, LV.

Re: Round 1D: Rearviewmirror vs. Of the Earth vs. Ghost

Posted: Sun February 07, 2016 1:53 pm
by stip
the best part of getaway is the very end when it does a pretty fair approximation of the finale of RVM

Re: Round 1D: Rearviewmirror vs. Of the Earth vs. Ghost

Posted: Sun February 07, 2016 2:34 pm
by tommymtcom
stip wrote:the best part of getaway is the very end when it does a pretty fair approximation of the finale of RVM
That pretty much sums up what's wrong with PJ these days.

Re: Round 1D: Rearviewmirror vs. Of the Earth vs. Ghost

Posted: Sun February 07, 2016 2:36 pm
by tommymtcom
RVM gets my vote. It would be Ghost if not for those weird backing vocals.

Re: Round 1D: Rearviewmirror vs. Of the Earth vs. Ghost

Posted: Sun February 07, 2016 3:21 pm
by stip
tommymtcom wrote:
stip wrote:the best part of getaway is the very end when it does a pretty fair approximation of the finale of RVM
That pretty much sums up what's wrong with PJ these days.
any band, at any stage in their career, could do worse than reproducing that moment

Re: Round 1D: Rearviewmirror vs. Of the Earth vs. Ghost

Posted: Sun February 07, 2016 3:41 pm
by tragabigzanda
stip wrote:
tommymtcom wrote:
stip wrote:the best part of getaway is the very end when it does a pretty fair approximation of the finale of RVM
That pretty much sums up what's wrong with PJ these days.
any band, at any stage in their career, could do worse than reproducing that moment
The worse offense is that the Getaway pre-chorus riff ("But I found my place...") is nearly identical to the WWS chorus.

Re: Round 1D: Rearviewmirror vs. Of the Earth vs. Ghost

Posted: Sun February 07, 2016 3:48 pm
by stip
i love the WWS chorus!

Re: Round 1D: Rearviewmirror vs. Of the Earth vs. Ghost

Posted: Sun February 07, 2016 4:00 pm
by PHATJ
RVM by a long shot, and I'm not a huge fan of RVM.

Re: Round 1D: Rearviewmirror vs. Of the Earth vs. Ghost

Posted: Sun February 07, 2016 4:08 pm
by ABNorman
RVM gets too much love here, I think, but it's the winner amongst these.

Re: Round 1D: Rearviewmirror vs. Of the Earth vs. Ghost

Posted: Sun February 07, 2016 4:25 pm
by Norah
Kevin Davis wrote:One thing I love about "RVM" is how thoroughly the studio version bowls me over after a period of having accustomed to too-fast live versions where Eddie can barely be bothered to approach the microphone. This is one of the few "Vs." songs that, to my ears, advances the band's musicianship away from free-flowing lyrical rambles with choruses and towards something more tightly wound from a compositional standpoint. The song also has a dramatic climax like nothing else in their songbook -- by bottling up all of its catharsis into a moment of pure release (the first time the title line is shouted going into the outro), I find it actually ends up packing a far greater wallop than the more purely testosterone-based numbers on the record like "Blood" or "Leash," which have not worn half as well for me.

But fuck it -- I'm voting for "Ghost." The whole "Riot Act"-era vibe -- the warm, vaguely fuzzy, in-the-room ambience, the world-weary pseudo-philosophy of it all -- it just hits that sweet spot for me. "RVM" is a dramatic high point of PJ's early catalog, but "Ghost" is a simple rocker that I just never tire of.

"Of the Earth" is cool, but not really in the conversation for me.
all of this

Re: Round 1D: Rearviewmirror vs. Of the Earth vs. Ghost

Posted: Sun February 07, 2016 4:48 pm
by Bammer
RVM

I read a great story about the recording of Vs. and it specifically talked about Ed's vocal on this song...all the angst and whatnot at the time.

The more these Vs. songs come up, the more I realize it is my favorite album.

Re: Round 1D: Rearviewmirror vs. Of the Earth vs. Ghost

Posted: Sun February 07, 2016 5:17 pm
by Jorge
"Rearviewmirror" is a special song. They tapped into an intensity there that they've never really matched.

"Ghost" is fine. "I never knew soap made you taller" is a stupid line,

I like the jazzy feel of the "Of the Earth" jam, but it's surrounded by what is an otherwise pretty forgettable song.

Re: Round 1D: Rearviewmirror vs. Of the Earth vs. Ghost

Posted: Sun February 07, 2016 8:14 pm
by Birds in Hell
stip wrote:the best part of getaway is the very end when it does a pretty fair approximation of the finale of RVM
I can't hear any similarity at all.

Anyway, Ghost is great (and I love the soap line), but this has to be RVM.

Re: Round 1D: Rearviewmirror vs. Of the Earth vs. Ghost

Posted: Sun February 07, 2016 9:13 pm
by LetMeSleep
LoathedVermin72 wrote:I love "Ghost", but come on, seriously. The answer here is RVM.
This.

Re: Round 1D: Rearviewmirror vs. Of the Earth vs. Ghost

Posted: Mon February 08, 2016 2:26 am
by Simple Torture
Sorry, Of The Earth, I like you, but RVM.