Red Mosquito

BLACK PEOPLE CAN BE RACIST TOO, TRAG

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tragabigzanda wrote:In 2009, I joined my dad and uncle for a family reunion in Placerville, ID, where my great-grandfather had homesteaded and raised six children. Those kids started all their own families, and they are scattered around the western part of the country. Though I had been going to Placerville all my life, I had never met this one faction of my cousins. Anyway, on the day of the reunion, my cousin and her family drive in from northern Idaho, and she is married to a guy with a swastika tattoo. It was obviously very upsetting to everyone who was there, but we just played nice for a few hours: Ate hot dogs, drank beer, couldn't wait for them to leave...

Curious to hear others' thoughts or experiences with these sorts of people.

Can you remind me on how long have you lived in the West? I may have some things to contribute but I want to get an idea of how much you already may know.

Green Habit wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:In 2009, I joined my dad and uncle for a family reunion in Placerville, ID, where my great-grandfather had homesteaded and raised six children. Those kids started all their own families, and they are scattered around the western part of the country. Though I had been going to Placerville all my life, I had never met this one faction of my cousins. Anyway, on the day of the reunion, my cousin and her family drive in from northern Idaho, and she is married to a guy with a swastika tattoo. It was obviously very upsetting to everyone who was there, but we just played nice for a few hours: Ate hot dogs, drank beer, couldn't wait for them to leave...

Curious to hear others' thoughts or experiences with these sorts of people.

Can you remind me on how long have you lived in the West? I may have some things to contribute but I want to get an idea of how much you already may know.

Some of us have lived on the east coast for our entire lives. I'd like to hear what you have to say regardless of Trag's knowledge.

I knew a guy who called himself a skinhead, but he was like this authentic 1970s New York punk guy who used the term before nazis took it over I guess.

Years of alcohol and drugs had taken its toll and mellowed him out, but the thing is he'd still wear shirts and stuff with swastikas or that said "skinhead' to bars just to get in fights. He wasn't racist, just fucking crazy.

Fantastic landscape painter though. Go figure.

tragabigzanda wrote:

Green Habit wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:In 2009, I joined my dad and uncle for a family reunion in Placerville, ID, where my great-grandfather had homesteaded and raised six children. Those kids started all their own families, and they are scattered around the western part of the country. Though I had been going to Placerville all my life, I had never met this one faction of my cousins. Anyway, on the day of the reunion, my cousin and her family drive in from northern Idaho, and she is married to a guy with a swastika tattoo. It was obviously very upsetting to everyone who was there, but we just played nice for a few hours: Ate hot dogs, drank beer, couldn't wait for them to leave...

Curious to hear others' thoughts or experiences with these sorts of people.

Can you remind me on how long have you lived in the West? I may have some things to contribute but I want to get an idea of how much you already may know.

Have been visiting Idaho (mostly Placerville, Boise, McCall, Sand Point) all my life; have probably visited the state 8 or 9 times now, and then I drive through Coeur d'Alene several times a year on my way to Seattle.

Lived in Olympia, WA for six months, and then Portland, OR for four years. Was somewhat in the punk scene in Portland and came across some skin heads on a few occasions (saw one skinhead slice another from waist to neck with a piece of broken glass one time). Moved back to the East Coast from 2005-2015. Have been living in MT for about 2 years now.

OK, what I was going to bring up was the presence of the Aryan Nations in Hayden back in the 90s. Since Self is curious in general I'll just post the Wikipedia article on it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nations

They were never a very sizeable group (always many, many more counterprotestors when they marched), but it was still scary, my brother in law will occasionally tell some fucked up stories about them. As the article explains, they eventually got sued out of existence there.

Also, and not totally related to this subject, but northern Idaho, which used to be a fairly labor-left leaning region due to mining, timber & manufacturing unions, took a hard right turn in the 90s when conservative Californians fled all the "chaos" that was going on there then. The most famous emigrant? Mark Fuhrman. That influx sent Idaho as a whole as one of the most Republican in the nation. Boise's recent turn leftward may subside that somewhat in the future, though.

It's just bs identity politics tactics. Why say "increased pressures on white working class" or something like that when you could say WHITE GENOCIIIIIDE!!!!

tragabigzanda wrote:So I'm about 15 mins into Welcome To Leith, and Cobb says "We're being genocided in our own country..." This is something that's been bugging me since I started going down this rabbit hole. This narrative of being "genocided" seems to be one of the foundational tenets of all of these groups. But where are they getting their data? Strictly speaking, is there any sort of data that shows black/Hispanic/Muslim/other people killing whites in large numbers? Or are they talking more about "economic genocide" -- affirmative action, diversity measures in the work place, etc? I've never seen any striking data that says "black people are killing white people" or anything like that (and I could easily believe the opposite is more true). But I guess I could at least understand the "economic genocide" argument, in the sense that there are probably stats that show traditionally white jobs going to people of other races.

I can't speak for the USA, and the situation in Australia isn't comparable either, but I think the European trend towards a more nationalist/nativist political approach is somewhat understandable given they've borne the brunt more dramatically of that liberal, open borders approach to immigration, eg. Birmingham and Brussels now having over 25% Muslim populations.

I think you'd be right to have serious concerns about the future demographic impact of that change, particularly once those populations start to have signficant electoral influence.

Thoughts on Welcome to Leith, trag?