evenslow wrote:Did we know about Ed's brother? Don't think I ever heard about that.
Im remembering that is why he wore that chicago bears jersey for most of the 2014 tour?
Thought that was about his uncle.
Ed's family relations are all wonky anyway. His uncle was probably really his brother
Re: RIP Chris Cornell 1964 - 2017
Posted: Wed June 07, 2017 2:27 am
by Jorge
Man, I need to rewatch AD. That little clip just gave me a hearty lol.
Re: RIP Chris Cornell 1964 - 2017
Posted: Wed June 07, 2017 2:38 am
by daft twat
Strat wrote:Ed in London tonight, taken from some dude on the pit
Eddie About Chris in London 1 show tonight...:
: " I will love him forever"
Sometimes it's hard to concentrate these days. I was thinking about the history of this building and the Bowie history. So I started to think about that and my mind began to wander. It's not a good...
So I haven't really been talking about some things and I kind of... now it feels like it's conspicuous because I lost a really close friend of mine, somebody who...(applause)
I'll say this too, I grew up as 4 boys, 4 brothers and I lost my brother 2 years ago tragically like that in an accident and after that and losing a few other people, I'm not good at it, meaning I'm not...I have not been willing to accept the reality and that's just how I'm dealing with it (applause starts)
no, no, no, no
So I want to be there for the family, be there for the community, be there for my brothers in my band, certainly the brothers in his band. But these things will take time but my friend is going to be gone forever and I will just have to...
These things take time and I just want to send this out to everyone who was affected by it and they all back home and here appreciate it so deeply the support and the good thoughts of a man who was a ... you know he wasn't just a friend he was someone I looked up to like my older brother.
About two days after the news, I think it was the second night we were sleeping in this little cabin near the water, a place he would've loved. And all these memories started coming in about 1:30am like woke me up. Like big memories, memories I would think about all the time. Like the memories were big muscles.
And then I couldn't stop the memories. And trying to sleep it was like if the neighbours had the music playing and you couldn't stop it. But then it was fine because then it got into little memories. It just kept going and going and going. And I realised how lucky I was to have hours worth of...you know if each of these memories was quick and I had hours of them. How fortunate was I?! And I didn't want to be sad, wanted to be grateful not sad. I'm still thinking about those memories and I will live with those memories in my heart and I will...love him forever
(Applause and standing ovation)
I can't explain why, but I needed this from him.
Re: RIP Chris Cornell 1964 - 2017
Posted: Wed June 07, 2017 3:02 am
by VinylGuy
Im sure it was an emotional night for everyone there...didnt know about Eddie´s brother.
Re: RIP Chris Cornell 1964 - 2017
Posted: Wed June 07, 2017 7:48 am
by Anders
daft twat wrote:
Strat wrote:Ed in London tonight, taken from some dude on the pit
Eddie About Chris in London 1 show tonight...:
: " I will love him forever"
Sometimes it's hard to concentrate these days. I was thinking about the history of this building and the Bowie history. So I started to think about that and my mind began to wander. It's not a good...
So I haven't really been talking about some things and I kind of... now it feels like it's conspicuous because I lost a really close friend of mine, somebody who...(applause)
I'll say this too, I grew up as 4 boys, 4 brothers and I lost my brother 2 years ago tragically like that in an accident and after that and losing a few other people, I'm not good at it, meaning I'm not...I have not been willing to accept the reality and that's just how I'm dealing with it (applause starts)
no, no, no, no
So I want to be there for the family, be there for the community, be there for my brothers in my band, certainly the brothers in his band. But these things will take time but my friend is going to be gone forever and I will just have to...
These things take time and I just want to send this out to everyone who was affected by it and they all back home and here appreciate it so deeply the support and the good thoughts of a man who was a ... you know he wasn't just a friend he was someone I looked up to like my older brother.
About two days after the news, I think it was the second night we were sleeping in this little cabin near the water, a place he would've loved. And all these memories started coming in about 1:30am like woke me up. Like big memories, memories I would think about all the time. Like the memories were big muscles.
And then I couldn't stop the memories. And trying to sleep it was like if the neighbours had the music playing and you couldn't stop it. But then it was fine because then it got into little memories. It just kept going and going and going. And I realised how lucky I was to have hours worth of...you know if each of these memories was quick and I had hours of them. How fortunate was I?! And I didn't want to be sad, wanted to be grateful not sad. I'm still thinking about those memories and I will live with those memories in my heart and I will...love him forever
(Applause and standing ovation)
I can't explain why, but I needed this from him.
It was good hearing him speak out.
Re: RIP Chris Cornell 1964 - 2017
Posted: Wed June 07, 2017 11:52 am
by KurtLeon
I don't think I've spoken about CC death in my point of view.
As all you you know, english is not my first language, and my writing skills are a bit rusty, so just bear with me for a while.
When I started to get into rock'n roll, I guesse it first was with Deep Purple and Black Sabbath, with my, now very religios, dad. But it was that, "those cool songs my dad listen to", nothing I did get that much into.
But then my brother itroduced me to Pearl Jam, and then it sticked with me since that day. I was about 10 or 11, or something.
A few days later of listening to Vs non stop, my older brother turned MTV on, and Cochise was on the air.
I was floored. That was the coolest shit I have ever listened in my entire life. And than, I was hooked. Soundgarden, Temple of the dog and his solo carrer, for me, that time, it was "all the other works from that guy who sings Cochise, the collest shit you ever heard."
As you can see, I didn't suffer with Kurts death, since he was already dead when I started to define my musical taste, and I was not THAT into AIC when Layne died, and STP never connected to me that much, so Scotts death was not much of a surprise, we all expected that, I guess.
But Chris was something else. I remember listening to Sunshower everytime I had my heart broken, or listening to You Know My Name when I needed to feel like a badass to fight something difficult. Superunkown was my self acceptance anthem, in other words, Almost everthing Cornell sang, was strong in my life.
And I had the oportunity to see one of the men that molded my musical taste, and that accompanied my whole life, and I did not go, not once. For lack of money, or just lazyness, "there will be other opportunities".
Losing CC is like loosing a part of my teenage years, and to never forget about it, I tattooed the chorus of Sunshower (As I said before, one of the songs that helped me a lot) in my left arm, and now to think that I will NEVER be able to see him live, it just really sucks a lot...
Re: RIP Chris Cornell 1964 - 2017
Posted: Wed June 07, 2017 1:20 pm
by evenslow
well said, Kurt.
Re: RIP Chris Cornell 1964 - 2017
Posted: Wed June 07, 2017 1:51 pm
by @SkitchP
KurtLeon wrote:I don't think I've spoken about CC death in my point of view.
As all you you know, english is not my first language, and my writing skills are a bit rusty, so just bear with me for a while.
When I started to get into rock'n roll, I guesse it first was with Deep Purple and Black Sabbath, with my, now very religios, dad. But it was that, "those cool songs my dad listen to", nothing I did get that much into.
But then my brother itroduced me to Pearl Jam, and then it sticked with me since that day. I was about 10 or 11, or something.
A few days later of listening to Vs non stop, my older brother turned MTV on, and Cochise was on the air.
I was floored. That was the coolest shit I have ever listened in my entire life. And than, I was hooked. Soundgarden, Temple of the dog and his solo carrer, for me, that time, it was "all the other works from that guy who sings Cochise, the collest shit you ever heard."
As you can see, I didn't suffer with Kurts death, since he was already dead when I started to define my musical taste, and I was not THAT into AIC when Layne died, and STP never connected to me that much, so Scotts death was not much of a surprise, we all expected that, I guess.
But Chris was something else. I remember listening to Sunshower everytime I had my heart broken, or listening to You Know My Name when I needed to feel like a badass to fight something difficult. Superunkown was my self acceptance anthem, in other words, Almost everthing Cornell sang, was strong in my life.
And I had the oportunity to see one of the men that molded my musical taste, and that accompanied my whole life, and I did not go, not once. For lack of money, or just lazyness, "there will be other opportunities".
Losing CC is like loosing a part of my teenage years, and to never forget about it, I tattooed the chorus of Sunshower (As I said before, one of the songs that helped me a lot) in my left arm, and now to think that I will NEVER be able to see him live, it just really sucks a lot...
This is a good post.
You omitted the paragraph where we try and place blame on people that Chris actually knew though. You must have forgotten that part.
Re: RIP Chris Cornell 1964 - 2017
Posted: Wed June 07, 2017 2:05 pm
by tragabigzanda
tragabigzanda wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:Top 10 maybe?
Hello Morning
Close Captioned
The Kill
Place/Position
Do You Like Me?
Latest Disgrace
Recap Modotti
Nightshop
Break
Life & Limb
I'd maybe bump Life & Limb for Epic Problem
Re: RIP Chris Cornell 1964 - 2017
Posted: Wed June 07, 2017 2:10 pm
by verb_to_trust
tragabigzanda wrote:Something about Ed hitting the road right after the funeral and talking about his grief from the stage strikes me as really gauche, but I can't figure out exactly why.
I agree.
Re: RIP Chris Cornell 1964 - 2017
Posted: Wed June 07, 2017 2:12 pm
by KurtLeon
@SkitchP wrote:
KurtLeon wrote:I don't think I've spoken about CC death in my point of view.
As all you you know, english is not my first language, and my writing skills are a bit rusty, so just bear with me for a while.
When I started to get into rock'n roll, I guesse it first was with Deep Purple and Black Sabbath, with my, now very religios, dad. But it was that, "those cool songs my dad listen to", nothing I did get that much into.
But then my brother itroduced me to Pearl Jam, and then it sticked with me since that day. I was about 10 or 11, or something.
A few days later of listening to Vs non stop, my older brother turned MTV on, and Cochise was on the air.
I was floored. That was the coolest shit I have ever listened in my entire life. And than, I was hooked. Soundgarden, Temple of the dog and his solo carrer, for me, that time, it was "all the other works from that guy who sings Cochise, the collest shit you ever heard."
As you can see, I didn't suffer with Kurts death, since he was already dead when I started to define my musical taste, and I was not THAT into AIC when Layne died, and STP never connected to me that much, so Scotts death was not much of a surprise, we all expected that, I guess.
But Chris was something else. I remember listening to Sunshower everytime I had my heart broken, or listening to You Know My Name when I needed to feel like a badass to fight something difficult. Superunkown was my self acceptance anthem, in other words, Almost everthing Cornell sang, was strong in my life.
And I had the oportunity to see one of the men that molded my musical taste, and that accompanied my whole life, and I did not go, not once. For lack of money, or just lazyness, "there will be other opportunities".
Losing CC is like loosing a part of my teenage years, and to never forget about it, I tattooed the chorus of Sunshower (As I said before, one of the songs that helped me a lot) in my left arm, and now to think that I will NEVER be able to see him live, it just really sucks a lot...
This is a good post.
You omitted the paragraph where we try and place blame on people that Chris actually knew though. You must have forgotten that part.
Courtney did it
Re: RIP Chris Cornell 1964 - 2017
Posted: Wed June 07, 2017 2:21 pm
by Tuolumne
I think there's just lots we don't know about the band members. At this point, they almost feel like distant friends, since we've been in the fan community with them for so many years, but there's certainly things they share communally with us and things that they don't.
I had no idea about his brother, that was actually really surprising. In 2015, there was that huge gap where they didn't tour or do anything until that fall 2015 set of SA dates, I wonder if that was why? Who knows. I just know that when there's some super super personal stuff to happen to Ed, he definitely closes that part off with us to a large extent. I mean, there's the whole Beth then Jill thing, that didn't even matriculate into any released music until he finally decided to release Ukelele Songs. He held onto those songs for a good long decade before he was comfortable enough with using those songs as his artisic statement on the state of his relationships. That's a pretty major point in his life, and I didn't get a sense of that effecting him artistically until Uke Songs. I guess Riot Act's fatalistic nature and sense of dread may be informed by that? Even with Roskilde, which is absolutely band and fan related, that was this cloud hanging over the whole 2000 US tour and I don't remember any big speech or outpuring of emotion. It was alot of subtle processing, which feels consistent with how this Chris Cornell thing is going.
We know about all of his celebrity friends, charitable causes, baseball buddies, and some fond memories of his childhood in Chicago, but not much about his life in San Diego and who his friends were. I don't know too much Bad Radio but I don't recall from what I heard too much of his broken family upbringing. Bad Rdio seemed to be more light hearted than PJ from what I recall of it. I don't think that seeped much into his music until Ten, when he was like 25 years old? All said, always interesting when you hear something personal and connect the dots into the songs. Even though I prefer not to hear anything personal unless it's coming from the artist, so there's always the line of things feeling to tabloidy if you know so much about someone. But he's the lucky one, the other band members don't necessarily have that sort of captive audience that are digging into his lyrics, I'd think that part might be therapeutic for an artist, to express themselves like that in song and have the audience turn it into something like what has happened with Alive.
Re: RIP Chris Cornell 1964 - 2017
Posted: Wed June 07, 2017 3:17 pm
by Superblood Wolfmoon
verb_to_trust wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:Something about Ed hitting the road right after the funeral and talking about his grief from the stage strikes me as really gauche, but I can't figure out exactly why.
I agree.
I don't. As much as we, the fans, turn to music to get us through hard times, I'm sure it's even more cathartic for someone at EV's level. Let's face it, they were good friends but it's not like one of his children died.
Something about Ed hitting the road right after the funeral and talking about his grief from the stage strikes me as...exactly something I'd expect Eddie Vedder to do.
Re: RIP Chris Cornell 1964 - 2017
Posted: Wed June 07, 2017 3:17 pm
by whygodeepaz
tragabigzanda wrote:Something about Ed hitting the road right after the funeral and talking about his grief from the stage strikes me as really gauche, but I can't figure out exactly why.
I mean he pretty much admitted that himself: "...after that and losing a few other people, I'm not good at it, meaning I'm not...I have not been willing to accept the reality and that's just how I'm dealing with it."
And I know this is a total apples and oranges comparison, but when we had to put down our family dog a few years ago (who was suddenly and rapidly deteriorating from a brain tumor and was suffering immensely), I chose to go to work that day, because I figured it'd be better to work and focus on other things and get my mind off of it. That's just how I chose to deal with the depression of that situation and the incredible sadness I was feeling.
Re: RIP Chris Cornell 1964 - 2017
Posted: Wed June 07, 2017 3:20 pm
by VinylGuy
Yeah, it just the way he is dealing with the loss.
Re: RIP Chris Cornell 1964 - 2017
Posted: Wed June 07, 2017 3:20 pm
by evenslow
yep - to each their own
Re: RIP Chris Cornell 1964 - 2017
Posted: Wed June 07, 2017 3:22 pm
by EJ
meatwad wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:Something about Ed hitting the road right after the funeral and talking about his grief from the stage strikes me as really gauche, but I can't figure out exactly why.
I agree.
I don't. As much as we, the fans, turn to music to get us through hard times, I'm sure it's even more cathartic for someone at EV's level. Let's face it, they were good friends but it's not like one of his children died.
Something about Ed hitting the road right after the funeral and talking about his grief from the stage strikes me as...exactly something I'd expect Eddie Vedder to do.
agreed
Re: RIP Chris Cornell 1964 - 2017
Posted: Wed June 07, 2017 6:44 pm
by Tuolumne
Really, the big bombshell is that his brother died. We all know about his relationship to Chris and the fans really are a part of that to a large extent. But in terms of something that effects him artistically, I'd have to say the death of his own brother, a seemingly sudden death, has to effect his artistic output just as much, if not more than CCs death. Wow.
In our minds, alot of us are thinking, "well gee I guess the next record's gonna be about the Cubs and Chris Cornell and Trump", but really, what the heck do we really know?
Re: RIP Chris Cornell 1964 - 2017
Posted: Wed June 07, 2017 7:13 pm
by Revelator
whygodeepaz wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:Something about Ed hitting the road right after the funeral and talking about his grief from the stage strikes me as really gauche, but I can't figure out exactly why.
I mean he pretty much admitted that himself: "...after that and losing a few other people, I'm not good at it, meaning I'm not...I have not been willing to accept the reality and that's just how I'm dealing with it."
And I know this is a total apples and oranges comparison, but when we had to put down our family dog a few years ago (who was suddenly and rapidly deteriorating from a brain tumor and was suffering immensely), I chose to go to work that day, because I figured it'd be better to work and focus on other things and get my mind off of it. That's just how I chose to deal with the depression of that situation and the incredible sadness I was feeling.
Good post, had a similar situation myself. I did the same when my childhood dog passed when I was in my mid 20s (we had 15 years together)....I went to work the day she was put down. To this day I regret it, but it's how I chose to deal with it and not something I'm proud of. That was over 10 years ago now but for the longest time I couldn't even admit that to myself, that I'm absolutely terrible at dealing with that kind of situation. I can understand where Ed's coming from, not just as a fan...for better or worse we all just process and display these emotions differently.
I also had no idea about his brother. That is shocking really, how it was just thrown out there. I'd be a fucking wreck if I lost my older brother.
Re: RIP Chris Cornell 1964 - 2017
Posted: Wed June 07, 2017 9:27 pm
by Anders
whygodeepaz wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:Something about Ed hitting the road right after the funeral and talking about his grief from the stage strikes me as really gauche, but I can't figure out exactly why.
I mean he pretty much admitted that himself: "...after that and losing a few other people, I'm not good at it, meaning I'm not...I have not been willing to accept the reality and that's just how I'm dealing with it."
And I know this is a total apples and oranges comparison, but when we had to put down our family dog a few years ago (who was suddenly and rapidly deteriorating from a brain tumor and was suffering immensely), I chose to go to work that day, because I figured it'd be better to work and focus on other things and get my mind off of it. That's just how I chose to deal with the depression of that situation and the incredible sadness I was feeling.
I found out about 6am one Tuesday in 2009, that my father had died. I went to work at 7am like always. Took only the Friday off work, to travel for the funeral, hold the principle speech, and help carry the coffin. He had been sick, but had recovered from cancer and heart surgery. His somewhat sudden death was a bit of a shock to me.
Had a terribly upsetting breakup with my then wife in 2007, on a Tuesday evening. Went to work the next day, and even cried a little by myself at my desk. Didn't take a day off.
So I find what Eddie is doing perfectly normal, though I do hope he reaches out to Lily.
