Red Mosquito

E.H. Ruddock wrote:This thread is really pissing me off.

Mine wrote:

harmless wrote:

Mine wrote:

harmless wrote:
I agree that it's ultimately a band's studio work which will define how good they were for all time.

This is, or should be, obvious.

I agree. But there's a surprising amount of PJ fans who will judge their albums (positively and negatively) based on the apparent fact that they are "really a live band anyway". Which is moot, because all bands are live bands, if they play live.

Those fans aren't exactly paying them a compliment. It's like saying their music more or less sucks but they put on a great show.

Also ever since reading people whore themselves for tickets i have a really hard time taking a certain kind of compliments seriously.

harmless wrote:

Mine wrote:

harmless wrote:

Mine wrote:

harmless wrote:
I agree that it's ultimately a band's studio work which will define how good they were for all time.

This is, or should be, obvious.

I agree. But there's a surprising amount of PJ fans who will judge their albums (positively and negatively) based on the apparent fact that they are "really a live band anyway". Which is moot, because all bands are live bands, if they play live.

Those fans aren't exactly paying them a compliment. It's like saying their music more or less sucks but they put on a great show.

Also ever since reading people whore themselves for tickets i have a really hard time taking a certain kind of compliments seriously.

Absolutely agree. "Live band like the Grateful Dead" was always a backhanded compliment to me.

warehouse wrote:

harmless wrote:

Mine wrote:

harmless wrote:

Mine wrote:

harmless wrote:
I agree that it's ultimately a band's studio work which will define how good they were for all time.

This is, or should be, obvious.

I agree. But there's a surprising amount of PJ fans who will judge their albums (positively and negatively) based on the apparent fact that they are "really a live band anyway". Which is moot, because all bands are live bands, if they play live.

Those fans aren't exactly paying them a compliment. It's like saying their music more or less sucks but they put on a great show.

Also ever since reading people whore themselves for tickets i have a really hard time taking a certain kind of compliments seriously.

Absolutely agree. "Live band like the Grateful Dead" was always a backhanded compliment to me.

didnt the band inquire about how the grateful dead ran their stuff around the time of the soldier field 1995 show?

warehouse wrote:didnt the band inquire about how the grateful dead ran their stuff around the time of the soldier field 1995 show?

Lament wrote:Honestly, Led Zeppelin is probably only behind Pink Floyd when it comes to Sacred Cows who just don't seem all that special to me. Maybe the Doors as well.

Lament wrote:

stip wrote:Also, I think pearl jam is better than led zeppelin

I was waiting for someone to come out and say this so I could agree with them (well, separate from the OP's lengthy assessments, which I'm not entirely sure weren't meant to mock us). In my heart I knew it'd be you, stip.

Lament wrote:

warehouse wrote:

Lament wrote:

warehouse wrote:

Lament wrote:

stip wrote:Also, I think pearl jam is better than led zeppelin

I was waiting for someone to come out and say this so I could agree with them (well, separate from the OP's lengthy assessments, which I'm not entirely sure weren't meant to mock us). In my heart I knew it'd be you, stip.

do u like the fixer too?

I like it more than anything DMB has ever done. By a country mile.

problem solved, you have a terrible taste in music. hell, my screen name alone is better than most pearl jam songs.

I think being told I have terrible taste in music by you is the single greatest endorsement of my tastes imaginable. Thank you, sir.

Oh, Jimmy wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:

Oh, Jimmy wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:As objective as I can be - anyone here actually old enough to truly compare? - I think Pearl Jam, and by alot. The reason I say this is the simple math of how long PJ has been a great band. Let's say Led Zep had a 2-3 better years than PJ, that still doesn't stack up for PJ being a consistently stupendously great live band for over 20 straight years. So, yeah, Zep could have been better for a time, but Bonham fucked up and OD'd and we could never see how crappy they probably would have been in 1988, or 1997, or 2005 (btw I have the Celebration Day DVD and it rocks but that was one gig not a tour and they could save it all for that one show). To do it show after show, tour after tour, for years on end, and be mindblowing the whole time - the honor of that goes to PJ. The only act that deserves a better standing than PJ in this regard is Springsteen, who's like the Babe Ruth of live rock performers. PJ comes second.

Zep has the better studio accomplishments, PJ has consistently really good B+/A- on record but are not known for their ingenuity or genre bending goodness like say a Radiohead. So there.

Yes, everyone here is.

I think you're drastically overrating how good PJ has been at points. They were really great from about 98 to 03 or so, but otherwise they've been solid to very good. Some of those shows around Vs are pretty awesome too.

Well, if your going to go THAT deep, then we'll definitely never know. I'm not thinking by soundboard quality, show by show instrumental and vocal performance. I'm thinking by the reaction the shows and tours left to the fans. I'm not talking about something shallow like tour grosses either. I'm talking about how the live shows have carried and kept the band at a certain point of relevancy. Any PJ fan can argue about technical things like Ed's vocals or Mike leads or overall stage presence and energy energy (the energy is much better now than it was in 96-00 IMO, vocals were better then) and there's valid arguments for each. But the live aspect still matters for PJ now, just like it has mattered for Springsteen now and 30 years ago. I don't own any Springsteen bootlegs, just a couple of DVDs, but you can't argue with how his shows and tours resonate. That's one thing I can judge without having to sift through thousands of bootlegs.

So no band's career has been carried by live shows more than PJ's. I'd say that speaks to the perceived weakness of the studio catalog more than anything.

I've never heard anyone say that when they seen PJ, they felt like they got ran over by a Mack truck, and when Henry Rollins said that about Zeppelin, it was during their "bad years".

benton netty wrote:I am on a Pearl Jam message board. I have been seeing them live since 1995.

I never saw Led Zeppelin.

Anyone who thinks Pearl Jam comes remotely close to touching Led Zeppelin, even on a bad day, is tripping balls.

Pearl Jam is great. One of the best live bands. Zeppelin were inhuman gods with the best rock drummer who ever lived.

PJ gets closer to The Who, but they can't quite match them, either.

This thread is like comparing apples to the Hope Diamond.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:This thread is really pissing me off.

stip wrote:

Lament wrote:

warehouse wrote:

Lament wrote:

warehouse wrote:

Lament wrote:

stip wrote:Also, I think pearl jam is better than led zeppelin

I was waiting for someone to come out and say this so I could agree with them (well, separate from the OP's lengthy assessments, which I'm not entirely sure weren't meant to mock us). In my heart I knew it'd be you, stip.

do u like the fixer too?

I like it more than anything DMB has ever done. By a country mile.

problem solved, you have a terrible taste in music. hell, my screen name alone is better than most pearl jam songs.

I think being told I have terrible taste in music by you is the single greatest endorsement of my tastes imaginable. Thank you, sir.

someone needs to post that Kevin davis quote. i forget who has it in their sig.

malice wrote:

stip wrote:

Lament wrote:

warehouse wrote:

Lament wrote:

warehouse wrote:

Lament wrote:

stip wrote:Also, I think pearl jam is better than led zeppelin

I was waiting for someone to come out and say this so I could agree with them (well, separate from the OP's lengthy assessments, which I'm not entirely sure weren't meant to mock us). In my heart I knew it'd be you, stip.

do u like the fixer too?

I like it more than anything DMB has ever done. By a country mile.

problem solved, you have a terrible taste in music. hell, my screen name alone is better than most pearl jam songs.

I think being told I have terrible taste in music by you is the single greatest endorsement of my tastes imaginable. Thank you, sir.

someone needs to post that Kevin davis quote. i forget who has it in their sig.

remod:

You can either side with me, who is one of the classiest and most discerning people on RM, or you can side with warehouse, who is named after a Dave Matthews song and whose posts look like an eighth grade girl's text messages.-- Kevin Davis

malice wrote:your usage of "u" does tend to drag on your posting style though

warehouse wrote:

malice wrote:your usage of "u" does tend to drag on your posting style though

yeah, im on a message board, not writing legal briefs.

warehouse wrote:

malice wrote:

stip wrote:

Lament wrote:

warehouse wrote:

Lament wrote:

warehouse wrote:

Lament wrote:

stip wrote:Also, I think pearl jam is better than led zeppelin

I was waiting for someone to come out and say this so I could agree with them (well, separate from the OP's lengthy assessments, which I'm not entirely sure weren't meant to mock us). In my heart I knew it'd be you, stip.

do u like the fixer too?

I like it more than anything DMB has ever done. By a country mile.

problem solved, you have a terrible taste in music. hell, my screen name alone is better than most pearl jam songs.

I think being told I have terrible taste in music by you is the single greatest endorsement of my tastes imaginable. Thank you, sir.

someone needs to post that Kevin davis quote. i forget who has it in their sig.

remod:

You can either side with me, who is one of the classiest and most discerning people on RM, or you can side with warehouse, who is named after a Dave Matthews song and whose posts look like an eighth grade girl's text messages.-- Kevin Davis

'warehouse' is a great song. im not sure stip could even wrap his brain around it, and he's got the biggest brain here.

malice wrote:

warehouse wrote:

malice wrote:your usage of "u" does tend to drag on your posting style though

yeah, im on a message board, not writing legal briefs.

kthx, bye grl!!