Red Mosquito

LetMeSleep wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:you could look at it two different ways, both bad:

1. The predators are white people, in which case they must be ashamed of their "whiteness/predatorness" and selflessly sacrifice for the good of the weaker, more noble prey race (which is a fucked up white liberal racist fantasy).

2: (more likely given the events in the movie) The predators are black, and they can live in harmony with the prey so long as they are kept in check, and suppress their natural urges toward violence.

Gross

Or you could choose not to look at it either way. There doesn't have to be a human parallel.

durdencommatyler wrote:Are you calling Jungle Book animated or live action?

durdencommatyler wrote:

LetMeSleep wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:you could look at it two different ways, both bad:

1. The predators are white people, in which case they must be ashamed of their "whiteness/predatorness" and selflessly sacrifice for the good of the weaker, more noble prey race (which is a fucked up white liberal racist fantasy).

2: (more likely given the events in the movie) The predators are black, and they can live in harmony with the prey so long as they are kept in check, and suppress their natural urges toward violence.

Gross

Or you could choose not to look at it either way. There doesn't have to be a human parallel.

Have you seen it?

LetMeSleep wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

LetMeSleep wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:you could look at it two different ways, both bad:

1. The predators are white people, in which case they must be ashamed of their "whiteness/predatorness" and selflessly sacrifice for the good of the weaker, more noble prey race (which is a fucked up white liberal racist fantasy).

2: (more likely given the events in the movie) The predators are black, and they can live in harmony with the prey so long as they are kept in check, and suppress their natural urges toward violence.

Gross

Or you could choose not to look at it either way. There doesn't have to be a human parallel.

Have you seen it?

Yes. And Burt has a point about the restriction of natural tendencies. It's the human parallel that isn't sitting right with me. I think it's taking a jump that isn't necessarily there.

The moral of the story is basically you can be whatever you want to be (albeit excepting being a predator) and the protagonist is a rabbit wanting to be a cop.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:About to watch Green Room. Really exited.

Ugh, another one I really want to see that I know won't come within 100 miles of Big Sky.
Also, is Blue Ruin worth watching?

durdencommatyler wrote:Are all of the predators antagonists? Do any of the predators aspire to being something akin to the rabbit wanting to be a cop?

BurtReynolds wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Are all of the predators antagonists? Do any of the predators aspire to being something akin to the rabbit wanting to be a cop?

no and yes, but they are still predators, and being a predator is evil in Zootopia, so they behave like prey (usually). In the movie, they have to deal with stereotypes of being dangerous, but they are dangerous because they are predators, and predators kill things for food (even in this universe, albeit in the past or because of a silly plot device). As a racial parallel it just doesn't work. Earlier drafts made it even more front and center.

It gets very muddled though. Its not very consistent with its logic.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Even if I were to take that at face value, it sounds like a depressing, nightmarish dystopia of shame and castration.

durdencommatyler wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Are all of the predators antagonists? Do any of the predators aspire to being something akin to the rabbit wanting to be a cop?

no and yes, but they are still predators, and being a predator is evil in Zootopia, so they behave like prey (usually). In the movie, they have to deal with stereotypes of being dangerous, but they are dangerous because they are predators, and predators kill things for food (even in this universe, albeit in the past or because of a silly plot device). As a racial parallel it just doesn't work. Earlier drafts made it even more front and center.

It gets very muddled though. Its not very consistent with its logic.

If it's muddy and the logic as it pertains to your interpretation is flawed or inconsistent... then maybe you're interpretation is wrong?