Red Mosquito

BurtReynolds wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Are all of the predators antagonists? Do any of the predators aspire to being something akin to the rabbit wanting to be a cop?

no and yes, but they are still predators, and being a predator is evil in Zootopia, so they behave like prey (usually). In the movie, they have to deal with stereotypes of being dangerous, but they are dangerous because they are predators, and predators kill things for food (even in this universe, albeit in the past or because of a silly plot device). As a racial parallel it just doesn't work. Earlier drafts made it even more front and center.

It gets very muddled though. Its not very consistent with its logic.

If it's muddy and the logic as it pertains to your interpretation is flawed or inconsistent... then maybe you're interpretation is wrong?

The predator/prey relationship and its parallels with real world race relations are spelled out pretty clearly. And its a major theme of the movie. Its not really something that could be interpreted differently. Its just that they ignore it when it suits them or they can't figure out what to write next.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Are all of the predators antagonists? Do any of the predators aspire to being something akin to the rabbit wanting to be a cop?

no and yes, but they are still predators, and being a predator is evil in Zootopia, so they behave like prey (usually). In the movie, they have to deal with stereotypes of being dangerous, but they are dangerous because they are predators, and predators kill things for food (even in this universe, albeit in the past or because of a silly plot device). As a racial parallel it just doesn't work. Earlier drafts made it even more front and center.

It gets very muddled though. Its not very consistent with its logic.

If it's muddy and the logic as it pertains to your interpretation is flawed or inconsistent... then maybe you're interpretation is wrong?

The predator/prey relationship and its parallels with real world race relations are spelled out pretty clearly. And its a major theme of the movie. Its not really something that could be interpreted differently. Its just that they ignore it when it suits them or they can't figure out what to write next.

Interesting. You're actually making me want to see this movie.

The sloths bit in the trailer didn't already do that?

tragabigzanda wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Are all of the predators antagonists? Do any of the predators aspire to being something akin to the rabbit wanting to be a cop?

no and yes, but they are still predators, and being a predator is evil in Zootopia, so they behave like prey (usually). In the movie, they have to deal with stereotypes of being dangerous, but they are dangerous because they are predators, and predators kill things for food (even in this universe, albeit in the past or because of a silly plot device). As a racial parallel it just doesn't work. Earlier drafts made it even more front and center.

It gets very muddled though. Its not very consistent with its logic.

If it's muddy and the logic as it pertains to your interpretation is flawed or inconsistent... then maybe you're interpretation is wrong?

The predator/prey relationship and its parallels with real world race relations are spelled out pretty clearly. And its a major theme of the movie. Its not really something that could be interpreted differently. Its just that they ignore it when it suits them or they can't figure out what to write next.

Interesting. You're actually making me want to see this movie.

The sloths bit in the trailer didn't already do that?

BurtReynolds wrote:

LetMeSleep wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:you could look at it two different ways, both bad:

1. The predators are white people, in which case they must be ashamed of their "whiteness/predatorness" and selflessly sacrifice for the good of the weaker, more noble prey race (which is a fucked up white liberal racist fantasy).

2: (more likely given the events in the movie) The predators are black, and they can live in harmony with the prey so long as they are kept in check, and suppress their natural urges toward violence.

Gross

Or you could choose not to look at it either way. There doesn't have to be a human parallel.

its pretty heavy handed though. To the point of distraction for me.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:So its basically an animated "Crash"?

BurtReynolds wrote:Is Ryan Gosling retarded?

bada wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

LetMeSleep wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:you could look at it two different ways, both bad:

1. The predators are white people, in which case they must be ashamed of their "whiteness/predatorness" and selflessly sacrifice for the good of the weaker, more noble prey race (which is a fucked up white liberal racist fantasy).

2: (more likely given the events in the movie) The predators are black, and they can live in harmony with the prey so long as they are kept in check, and suppress their natural urges toward violence.

Gross

Or you could choose not to look at it either way. There doesn't have to be a human parallel.

its pretty heavy handed though. To the point of distraction for me.

I'm with LMS. I don't know that the predators are stand ins for any specific ethnicity. It's just about not judging someone based on stereotypes.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:He might be retarded but he's not overrated

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:He might be retarded but he's not overrated

Yea, he's made his odd-duck qualities really work for him. Films like Drive and Lars and the Real Girl just wouldn't be the same if he were more lucid or "normal."

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:He might be retarded but he's not overrated

Yea, he's made his odd-duck qualities really work for him. Films like Drive and Lars and the Real Girl just wouldn't be the same if he were more lucid or "normal."

And Blue Valentine. He's such a fucking force. Man!

Still haven't seen it. It looks fantastic, but also brutal. Need to steel myself for it some night.