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Re: Match BY: Life Wasted vs. Olympic Platnium
Posted: Wed March 12, 2014 7:14 pm
by bodysnatcher
cutuphalfdead wrote:I wasn't just stating an opinion. The compression on Self Titled is so extreme it's literally painful to many human's ears.
agreed. it has that overall shrill factor similar to that screeching down that's made by blowing on a Fruit Roll-Up wrapper
Re: Match BY: Life Wasted vs. Olympic Platnium
Posted: Wed March 12, 2014 7:51 pm
by WaitingForBluey
cutuphalfdead wrote:I wasn't just stating an opinion. The compression on Self Titled is so extreme it's literally painful to many human's ears.
I must've destroyed my hearing by listening to this album obsessively loud on my headphones back in 2006, because I just can't hear this compression business that everyone gripes about. It's like my grandpa's inability to smell. He always ripped the worst gas. Ignorance is bliss.
Re: Match BY: Life Wasted vs. Olympic Platnium
Posted: Wed March 12, 2014 8:47 pm
by stip
cutuphalfdead wrote:I wasn't just stating an opinion. The compression on Self Titled is so extreme it's literally painful to many human's ears.
you guys are like the biggest fucking pussies
Re: Match BY: Life Wasted vs. Olympic Platnium
Posted: Wed March 12, 2014 8:49 pm
by Lament
Are you sick o' pussies, stip?
Re: Match BY: Life Wasted vs. Olympic Platnium
Posted: Wed March 12, 2014 8:51 pm
by stip
and in like two years the genius who wrote Sick of Pussies will go on to write Porch and Release. How does that even happen?
Re: Match BY: Life Wasted vs. Olympic Platnium
Posted: Wed March 12, 2014 8:53 pm
by Lament
He started juicing, probably.
Re: Match BY: Life Wasted vs. Olympic Platnium
Posted: Wed March 12, 2014 8:59 pm
by McParadigm
It's really just a little more extreme version of how a lot of records are ruined at the production level these days.
A really well produced album should be the aural equivalent of this:
There's a great feeling of space and, while there are obvious drawing-in points that pull your immediate attention, it's also possible to linger a while and appreciate all the subtle shading and textural changes beyond and around those points.
S/T and a number of other records from the last 10 years (including some of the individual instruments on LB) are more equatable to this:
There's probably a lot going on there, you know? But it's all so smashed together that it actually highlights the lack of space and dynamic more than anything. All those buildings, all that humanity, and instead it sort of looks like one big wall.
Re: Match BY: Life Wasted vs. Olympic Platnium
Posted: Thu March 13, 2014 3:32 am
by Kaius
Well put as usual McP
Re: Match BY: Life Wasted vs. Olympic Platnium
Posted: Thu March 13, 2014 4:59 am
by Simple Torture
cutuphalfdead wrote:I wasn't just stating an opinion. The compression on Self Titled is so extreme it's literally painful to many human's ears.
I'm excited to read your Pono review of S/T.
Re: Match BY: Life Wasted vs. Olympic Platnium
Posted: Thu March 13, 2014 5:00 am
by Norah
Simple Torture wrote:cutuphalfdead wrote:I wasn't just stating an opinion. The compression on Self Titled is so extreme it's literally painful to many human's ears.
I'm excited to read your Pono review of S/T.
Why would I listen to that?
Re: Match BY: Life Wasted vs. Olympic Platnium
Posted: Thu March 13, 2014 1:04 pm
by darth_vedder
Kaius wrote:Well put as usual McP
I
McP's posts, all of them.
Re: Match BY: Life Wasted vs. Olympic Platnium
Posted: Thu March 13, 2014 1:12 pm
by WaitingForBluey
Simple Torture wrote:cutuphalfdead wrote:I wasn't just stating an opinion. The compression on Self Titled is so extreme it's literally painful to many human's ears.
I'm excited to read your Pono review of S/T.
Well I guess if they claim S/T is already ruined, then Pono won't be able to save it
Re: Match BY: Life Wasted vs. Olympic Platnium
Posted: Thu March 13, 2014 1:17 pm
by Jorge
stip wrote:cutuphalfdead wrote:I wasn't just stating an opinion. The compression on Self Titled is so extreme it's literally painful to many human's ears.
you guys are like the biggest fucking pussies
Re: Match BY: Life Wasted vs. Olympic Platnium
Posted: Thu March 13, 2014 1:34 pm
by WaitingForBluey
McParadigm wrote:It's really just a little more extreme version of how a lot of records are ruined at the production level these days.
A really well produced album should be the aural equivalent of this:
There's a great feeling of space and, while there are obvious drawing-in points that pull your immediate attention, it's also possible to linger a while and appreciate all the subtle shading and textural changes beyond and around those points.
S/T and a number of other records from the last 10 years (including some of the individual instruments on LB) are more equatable to this:
There's probably a lot going on there, you know? But it's all so smashed together that it actually highlights the lack of space and dynamic more than anything. All those buildings, all that humanity, and instead it sort of looks like one big wall.
So which PJ albums best describe the first picture? NAIS is the first thing that comes to mind.
Re: Match BY: Life Wasted vs. Olympic Platnium
Posted: Thu March 13, 2014 2:31 pm
by Thejambi
cutuphalfdead wrote:I wasn't just stating an opinion. The compression on Self Titled is so extreme it's literally painful to many human's ears.
Re: Match BY: Life Wasted vs. Olympic Platnium
Posted: Thu March 13, 2014 5:31 pm
by bodysnatcher
I went with Olympic Platinum
Re: Match BY: Life Wasted vs. Olympic Platnium
Posted: Thu March 13, 2014 6:03 pm
by Norah
bluestate wrote:McParadigm wrote:It's really just a little more extreme version of how a lot of records are ruined at the production level these days.
A really well produced album should be the aural equivalent of this:
There's a great feeling of space and, while there are obvious drawing-in points that pull your immediate attention, it's also possible to linger a while and appreciate all the subtle shading and textural changes beyond and around those points.
S/T and a number of other records from the last 10 years (including some of the individual instruments on LB) are more equatable to this:
There's probably a lot going on there, you know? But it's all so smashed together that it actually highlights the lack of space and dynamic more than anything. All those buildings, all that humanity, and instead it sort of looks like one big wall.
So which PJ albums best describe the first picture? NAIS is the first thing that comes to mind.
None of PJ's albums are particularly good in terms of dynamics, but most aren't incredibly bad either. For my ears, I take No Code over anything else.
Re: Match BY: Life Wasted vs. Olympic Platnium
Posted: Thu March 13, 2014 6:05 pm
by digster
This doesn't always match up (I've heard many great albums with shitty mastering), but the nadir of PJ's catalog are also their worst-produced efforts. All of their records, up to and including Riot Act, I think sound good, minor quibbles aside.
Re: Match BY: Life Wasted vs. Olympic Platnium
Posted: Thu March 13, 2014 7:08 pm
by Mine
I don't think McParadigm was referring to dynamic range exclusively.
Re: Match BY: Life Wasted vs. Olympic Platnium
Posted: Thu March 13, 2014 7:34 pm
by McParadigm
I wasn't, but No Code and Yield are both good examples of recordings that invite the subtleties in without getting messy (well, No Code is a little intentionally messy, but).
And yeah, NAiS is, too, but I wasn't really referring to "spaciness" of sound with that image, so I was trying to avoid the reference for lack of later confusion.