Red Mosquito

None of us know jack shit.

theplatypus wrote:No one will ever truly know what happened that night except for Chris Cornell. For the rest of us, his exact cause of death will remain superunknown.

damn it. I kinda laughed.

tragabigzanda wrote:No offense, but I don't understand why people keep referencing his depression. This whole event plays to me as an isolated psychotic episode brought on by the combination of an onset of some sort of chronic chemical imbalance, and an overdose of prescription medication.

That's kind of what I'm thinking too.

stip wrote:

theplatypus wrote:No one will ever truly know what happened that night except for Chris Cornell. For the rest of us, his exact cause of death will remain superunknown.

damn it. I kinda laughed.

I laughed.

theplatypus wrote:No one will ever truly know what happened that night except for Chris Cornell. For the rest of us, his exact cause of death will remain superunknown.

lol

LoathedVermin72 wrote:If it was induced by prescription drugs, then they will have claimed the lives of Michael Jackson, Prince, and Chris Cornell. Jesus.

He was crucified.

he od'd on water wine

After 5 days of trying to process that Chris is no longer with us, I still can’t wrap my head around it…….I have a nightmarish procession of his music running around my head, waking up at all hours with his voice on my mind, unable to comprehend how someone I’ve never met can have such an impact on my life.

I was hoping to come up with a masterful tribute but cannot find the words…………and many of you have already covered how it feels so eloquently. Some of you have written some beautiful pieces.

In my 20’s and 30’s, I was a die hard PJ and Eddie fan. In my 40’s Chris moved to the top of my list, just above Ed, Neil Young and Tom Petty. Euphoria Mourning is on constant rotation in my car. In recent years, Chris has become my go to music, especially his solo work. One of my favourite things to do, is have a “Zen” night…..with no-one else at home, I relish my own company, light up the candles, crank up the outside fire and the music. Without fail, I’d always finish up with a bunch of Chris’s songs, sometimes shaking my head in awe at his powerful abilities. I’ve had nights where I’ve listened to I Am the Highway and Like a Stone over and over and over. Now, I’ve spent the past couple of days trying to listen to his music………sometimes unable to make my way through a whole song, shaking my head in denial that he won’t be singing another version of anything and sometimes crying all over my screen vision of him.

So……….Chris, thank you for bringing me so much joy and peace. I hope you have found yours and are now “sleeping with a full moon blanket”.

Side story: My eldest daughter who is now 23 years old with a 3 year old son, has suffered with anxiety, depression and behavioural disorders since she was 15 years old. I have literally spent much of this time trying to keep her alive and so far successfully, but not without much pain on both sides and it definitely takes it toll. I somehow find myself surprised when another bout rears it’s ugly head as it is easier to lull yourself into a false sense of security. I still cannot understand how someone who has had a stable loving upbringing with both parents still together, a close knit family and a son who adores her, spends most of her days wanting to die.

When I told her about Chris’ death being possible suicide – her words “he’s lucky”………….

'hes lucky'? Jesus...

Remember this is coming from a mentally unstable mind. Even scarier when it's your own child.

Mother wrote:Remember this is coming from a mentally unstable mind. Even scarier when it's your own child.

Yeah I get it. I'm just sorry.

Mother wrote:After 5 days of trying to process that Chris is no longer with us, I still can’t wrap my head around it…….I have a nightmarish procession of his music running around my head, waking up at all hours with his voice on my mind, unable to comprehend how someone I’ve never met can have such an impact on my life.

I was hoping to come up with a masterful tribute but cannot find the words…………and many of you have already covered how it feels so eloquently. Some of you have written some beautiful pieces.

In my 20’s and 30’s, I was a die hard PJ and Eddie fan. In my 40’s Chris moved to the top of my list, just above Ed, Neil Young and Tom Petty. Euphoria Mourning is on constant rotation in my car. In recent years, Chris has become my go to music, especially his solo work. One of my favourite things to do, is have a “Zen” night…..with no-one else at home, I relish my own company, light up the candles, crank up the outside fire and the music. Without fail, I’d always finish up with a bunch of Chris’s songs, sometimes shaking my head in awe at his powerful abilities. I’ve had nights where I’ve listened to I Am the Highway and Like a Stone over and over and over. Now, I’ve spent the past couple of days trying to listen to his music………sometimes unable to make my way through a whole song, shaking my head in denial that he won’t be singing another version of anything and sometimes crying all over my screen vision of him.

So……….Chris, thank you for bringing me so much joy and peace. I hope you have found yours and are now “sleeping with a full moon blanket”.

Side story: My eldest daughter who is now 23 years old with a 3 year old son, has suffered with anxiety, depression and behavioural disorders since she was 15 years old. I have literally spent much of this time trying to keep her alive and so far successfully, but not without much pain on both sides and it definitely takes it toll. I somehow find myself surprised when another bout rears it’s ugly head as it is easier to lull yourself into a false sense of security. I still cannot understand how someone who has had a stable loving upbringing with both parents still together, a close knit family and a son who adores her, spends most of her days wanting to die.

When I told her about Chris’ death being possible suicide – her words “he’s lucky”………….

I hope she can and does find peace in living

knee tunes wrote:

Mother wrote:After 5 days of trying to process that Chris is no longer with us, I still can’t wrap my head around it…….I have a nightmarish procession of his music running around my head, waking up at all hours with his voice on my mind, unable to comprehend how someone I’ve never met can have such an impact on my life.

I was hoping to come up with a masterful tribute but cannot find the words…………and many of you have already covered how it feels so eloquently. Some of you have written some beautiful pieces.

In my 20’s and 30’s, I was a die hard PJ and Eddie fan. In my 40’s Chris moved to the top of my list, just above Ed, Neil Young and Tom Petty. Euphoria Mourning is on constant rotation in my car. In recent years, Chris has become my go to music, especially his solo work. One of my favourite things to do, is have a “Zen” night…..with no-one else at home, I relish my own company, light up the candles, crank up the outside fire and the music. Without fail, I’d always finish up with a bunch of Chris’s songs, sometimes shaking my head in awe at his powerful abilities. I’ve had nights where I’ve listened to I Am the Highway and Like a Stone over and over and over. Now, I’ve spent the past couple of days trying to listen to his music………sometimes unable to make my way through a whole song, shaking my head in denial that he won’t be singing another version of anything and sometimes crying all over my screen vision of him.

So……….Chris, thank you for bringing me so much joy and peace. I hope you have found yours and are now “sleeping with a full moon blanket”.

Side story: My eldest daughter who is now 23 years old with a 3 year old son, has suffered with anxiety, depression and behavioural disorders since she was 15 years old. I have literally spent much of this time trying to keep her alive and so far successfully, but not without much pain on both sides and it definitely takes it toll. I somehow find myself surprised when another bout rears it’s ugly head as it is easier to lull yourself into a false sense of security. I still cannot understand how someone who has had a stable loving upbringing with both parents still together, a close knit family and a son who adores her, spends most of her days wanting to die.

When I told her about Chris’ death being possible suicide – her words “he’s lucky”………….

I hope she can and does find peace in living

Thanks, me too.....

Mother wrote: I still cannot understand how someone who has had a stable loving upbringing with both parents still together, a close knit family and a son who adores her, spends most of her days wanting to die.

Upbringing is not everything. In my opinion it has very little to do with who we are and who we inevitably become.

Dev wrote:

Mother wrote: I still cannot understand how someone who has had a stable loving upbringing with both parents still together, a close knit family and a son who adores her, spends most of her days wanting to die.

Upbringing is not everything. In my opinion it has very little to do with who we are and who we inevitably become.

Yeah, I get this but it would have to go some way to providing stability I think. I guess it's easier to understand mental illness in someone who was brought up in an abusive and/or drug tarnished environment, as an example.

This quote makes a point I have been meaning to make.

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/new ... ls-w483638

The experts who spoke with Rolling Stone noted that prolonged use or misuse of Ativan can exacerbate negative feelings in people with depression or a history of suicidal ideation (Cornell, a recovering addict, had been public about his issues with depression). Though rare, researchers have found a correlation between benzodiazepine misuse and increased suicide risk (a similar link has been with alcohol dependency). But it's highly unlikely that Ativan would be the sole cause of a completed suicide, as suicide has no single cause, says Dr. Jeffrey Lieberman, chair of psychiatry at New York-Presbyterian/Columbia University Medical Center and former president of the American Psychiatric Association.

If someone were to die by suicide during an Ativan blackout, he continues, they may have been dealing with underlying mental health issues. "Ativan would be the least contributory factor," Lieberman tells Rolling Stone.

This was not just a freak accident because of some misused med. This was a long premeditated suicide. That's what I believe. People don't just kill themselves on a whim. Not even when they are fucked up on something. There are bigger reasons. Even when you are fucked up you still know the score.

Alternatively, I read the following and heartily disagreed.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/chr ... 17ae4cbaac

Instead of thinking of suicide as a conscious choice that happens when someone doesn’t want to live anymore, we need to see the other side of suicide.

The "other side" being the factors outside of our control. This is bullshit advice that downplays our ability to empower ourselves and fight back against depression. The truth is that what we believe plays a big role in the way we feel about ourselves and feel about life in general. Depression is not entirely out of our control. Work through your feelings about life(get therapy?) and you can make a difference in the way you feel and fight back against your depression.

Birds in Hell wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:No offense, but I don't understand why people keep referencing his depression. This whole event plays to me as an isolated psychotic episode brought on by the combination of an onset of some sort of chronic chemical imbalance, and an overdose of prescription medication.

Yes, and I find it particularly off-colour to dredge up lyrics he wrote twenty years ago as though they provide some insight into his thought process. There's little in his current output that reveals a tormented, depressed guy (that isn't to say that isn't what he could have been in private, but I don't think it's reflected in his work if so - and I suspect he wasn't).

This articulates how I've been thinking, the more I watch interviews. He seemed to be enjoying his life, family and career. The drugs must've triggered something, maybe a sleepwalking/blackout episode with tragic results? Obviously, we'll never really know but thinking this helps me get my head around it.

Mother wrote:After 5 days of trying to process that Chris is no longer with us, I still can’t wrap my head around it…….I have a nightmarish procession of his music running around my head, waking up at all hours with his voice on my mind, unable to comprehend how someone I’ve never met can have such an impact on my life.

I was hoping to come up with a masterful tribute but cannot find the words…………and many of you have already covered how it feels so eloquently. Some of you have written some beautiful pieces.

In my 20’s and 30’s, I was a die hard PJ and Eddie fan. In my 40’s Chris moved to the top of my list, just above Ed, Neil Young and Tom Petty. Euphoria Mourning is on constant rotation in my car. In recent years, Chris has become my go to music, especially his solo work. One of my favourite things to do, is have a “Zen” night…..with no-one else at home, I relish my own company, light up the candles, crank up the outside fire and the music. Without fail, I’d always finish up with a bunch of Chris’s songs, sometimes shaking my head in awe at his powerful abilities. I’ve had nights where I’ve listened to I Am the Highway and Like a Stone over and over and over. Now, I’ve spent the past couple of days trying to listen to his music………sometimes unable to make my way through a whole song, shaking my head in denial that he won’t be singing another version of anything and sometimes crying all over my screen vision of him.

So……….Chris, thank you for bringing me so much joy and peace. I hope you have found yours and are now “sleeping with a full moon blanket”.

Side story: My eldest daughter who is now 23 years old with a 3 year old son, has suffered with anxiety, depression and behavioural disorders since she was 15 years old. I have literally spent much of this time trying to keep her alive and so far successfully, but not without much pain on both sides and it definitely takes it toll. I somehow find myself surprised when another bout rears it’s ugly head as it is easier to lull yourself into a false sense of security. I still cannot understand how someone who has had a stable loving upbringing with both parents still together, a close knit family and a son who adores her, spends most of her days wanting to die.

When I told her about Chris’ death being possible suicide – her words “he’s lucky”………….

Well done, Stip. I definitely don't get the knock on the celebratory feeling at concerts.

Currently, I'm chalking this up to what Chris' family is saying. At this point, I'm kinda buying it. You can either look at it as an extremely close source who knows what's going on (his wife) or a family in denial. In my gut, it's the former and not the latter. Obviously, he was into dark stuff if you know his music at all. And of the reading I've done he certainly has fallen into that depressive category, but the worst was a long time ago. Maybe this episode with the Ativan brought those old demons back up?

I came to the independent conclusion that Chris's death was an accident.

He had an 11 and 12-year old. And 7 more shows to do. Ya just, don't. He wouldn't have...

Wouldn't the depression, if any, have to be gigantic to take precedence over his kids ? I'm no expert in the subject but it seems that depression.would have to be pervasive and overwhelming in order to leave your wife and kids, and your music, and to say fuck everything, the fans , his bandmates, mid-tour...I don't think this was his situation, was it?
there were no reports of him being that extremely depressed, were there? is anxiety the same as depression?
Anyway, him committing suicide just doesn't make any sense at all to me.

unfortunately, I think he was participating in that choking/play/whatever and that, coupled with the medicine, which perhaps subdued him too much, and he just couldn't get out of it