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Re: How The West Was Won And Where It Got Us: An REM Thread

Posted: Wed July 23, 2014 4:43 am
by Norah
Kaius wrote:
Kaius wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
Kaius wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
Kaius wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:Monster is so fucking good.
:thumbsup:

The Out of Time-Automatic-Monster-Hi Fi run is about as good as it gets.
Expand that to include Green and Up.
I don't think Green is on the big boy level, though it shows flashes. I plan on getting into the post-berry stuff tonight after work.
Green is absolutely on the big boy level.
No, fuck you!

But seriously ... I'm usually not wrong about these things.
I just wanted to admit that I was wrong about this.
8-)

Re: How The West Was Won And Where It Got Us: An REM Thread

Posted: Wed July 23, 2014 11:44 am
by PryTo
http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/longbox/

R.E.M.’s Out of Time is the most politically significant album in the history of the United States. Because of its packaging.

In 1985, the pop charts were full of Prince and Sheena Easton and the youth of America were being corrupted. Tipper Gore and other elite women of Washington formed the “Parents Music Resource Center” (PMRC) to put pressure on the creators and distributors of “objectionable” music.

There were Senate hearings, and eventually those little black and white Parental Advisory stickers started appearing on albums.

This set off a wave of censorship across the country.

In 1990, a Federal district judge in South Florida ruled that the rap group 2 Live Crew’s album “As Nasty As They Wanna Be” was so obscene that it couldn’t be sold or performed within his jurisdiction in South Florida. Three days after the ruling, 2 Live Crew played a show in a county within his jurisdiction, and afterwards two members of the group got arrested.

When Jeff Ayeroff, an executive at Virgin Records, watched this all play out on TV, he felt offended. Not by the raunchy lyrics or the twerking on stage, but by the arrests and the blatant censorship of the artists’ work. Shortly thereafter, he got the idea for “Rock the Vote.”

The idea behind Rock the Vote was simple: get young people to vote for politicians who wouldn’t censor music. Ayeroff got about sixty people together in a Los Angeles hotel to talk about launching Rock The Vote. Frank Zappa was there, past and present California Governor Jerry Brown was there, as well as a bunch of record executives, including Jeff’s friend, a record executive at Warner Brothers named Jeff Gold. Gold’s major project at the time was trying to figure out how to package CDs.

Compact Disc packaging was the hot topic in the record world of the late 80s and early 90s. CDs had been around for a few years, but record stores still didn’t have a good way to display them, because their shelves were formatted to display 12” vinyl LPs. The solution was to package CD jewel cases inside of cardboard boxes that were just as tall as a vinyl album but half as wide. This allowed the shelves to fit two “longbox” CDs side-by-side on an LP rack.

Artists, however, objected to the wastefulness of the longbox. In 1991, R.E.M. had a record coming out, and they did not want millions of trees cut down just to create this extra packing. The Warner Brothers sales department knew that this album absolutely had to come out in a longbox if it was going to do well in retail, and that’s when Jeff Gold realized that he could merge the two projects he was working on. Jeff Gold realized that he could convince R.E.M. to use a longbox if they could use the CD longbox to advance the Rock the Vote campaign.

Jeff Gold needed a concrete political cause to connect it to, and Jeff Ayeroff brought him just the thing: the “Motor Voter” bill, which been bouncing around Congress since the 1970s. If passed, Motor Voter would allow people to register to vote at the DMV when they got a driver’s license. It also allowed citizens to register by mail, or when they applied for social services like welfare or unemployment. Basically, the Motor Voter bill would make it easier for lots of people, including young people, to register to vote. By 1991 a few states had already adopted it, but Congress had never been able to get it passed nationally.

R.E.M.’s longbox, printed with a petition in support of the Motor Voter Bill, became a piece of political machinery. When Out of Time hit the record stores on March 12th, 1991, the petitions started rolling in. After 3 weeks, they had received 10,000 petitions, 100 per senator, and they just kept coming in in droves.

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About a month after R.E.M. released the album, Rock The Vote’s political director, along with members of the hip hop group KMD, wheeled a shopping cart full of the first 10,000 petitions into a senate hearing.

In May of 1992, after thousands of petitions and the Senate testimony, the Motor Voter bill passed Congress. Then President H. W. Bush, in the middle of his re-election campaign, vetoed it. Bush’s opponent, Bill Clinton, took up Motor Voter as a talking point, and after he won, he signed it into law as the National Voter Registration Act of 1993.

The National Voter Registration Act went into effect in 1995. From that year to 2012, the percentage of the population that is registered to vote went from 69.5% to 79.9%, and over 150 million voter registrations have been filled out at the DMV.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is why no album in the history of recorded music has had as large an effect on politics in the United States as R.E.M’s Out of Time.

Re: How The West Was Won And Where It Got Us: An REM Thread

Posted: Wed July 23, 2014 1:54 pm
by stip
interesting. I did not know that.

Re: How The West Was Won And Where It Got Us: An REM Thread

Posted: Fri August 29, 2014 5:04 pm
by AndySlash
warner sent out an email blast about the unplugged vinyl reissues for september 2, and in the email was this blurb:
These two-LP sets serve to foreshadow another monumental release from R.E.M. coming later in the year that will dig further into the vaults of MTV. Look for more information to be announced soon.

so, i'm guessing a black friday release of some sort. what could it be though, from mtv? various live performances on award shows and programs is all i can think of.

Re: How The West Was Won And Where It Got Us: An REM Thread

Posted: Fri August 29, 2014 6:37 pm
by McParadigm
PryTo wrote:http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/longbox/

R.E.M.’s Out of Time is the most politically significant album in the history of the United States. Because of its packaging.
What a bunch of crap.

Re: How The West Was Won And Where It Got Us: An REM Thread

Posted: Sat August 30, 2014 3:17 am
by tattooedeverything
AndySlash wrote:warner sent out an email blast about the unplugged vinyl reissues for september 2, and in the email was this blurb:
These two-LP sets serve to foreshadow another monumental release from R.E.M. coming later in the year that will dig further into the vaults of MTV. Look for more information to be announced soon.

so, i'm guessing a black friday release of some sort. what could it be though, from mtv? various live performances on award shows and programs is all i can think of.
There are two other possibilities I can think of: the 1984 appearance on a show called "Rock Influences" or the 1998 special called "Uplink".

Re: How The West Was Won And Where It Got Us: An REM Thread

Posted: Sat August 30, 2014 10:31 am
by stip
that party of 5 concert?


The unpluggeds were the prize.

Re: How The West Was Won And Where It Got Us: An REM Thread

Posted: Sun August 31, 2014 2:48 am
by Freewheelin
When do the unplugged vinyl reissues come out?

Re: How The West Was Won And Where It Got Us: An REM Thread

Posted: Sun August 31, 2014 4:13 am
by tattooedeverything
stip wrote:that party of 5 concert?
No, it was a show they did in NYC where Patti Smith made a guest appearance.
Freewheelin wrote:When do the unplugged vinyl reissues come out?
September 2nd.

Re: How The West Was Won And Where It Got Us: An REM Thread

Posted: Sun August 31, 2014 5:12 am
by Rangi Guy
It's kind of a dick move releasing te Unplugged shows a RSD exclusive only to release it to the public at a later date - just a few weeks later

Re: How The West Was Won And Where It Got Us: An REM Thread

Posted: Sun August 31, 2014 8:39 am
by AndySlash
no way. enough people wanted it that it was very hard to find on rsd, and i appreciate that they realized this and put it out. plus, the rsd version is still an exclusive product; these reissues are individual releases.

Re: How The West Was Won And Where It Got Us: An REM Thread

Posted: Sun August 31, 2014 10:32 am
by stip
tattooedeverything wrote:
stip wrote:that party of 5 concert?
No, it was a show they did in NYC where Patti Smith made a guest appearance.


Oh I know. I'm just speculating as to what else it might be

Re: How The West Was Won And Where It Got Us: An REM Thread

Posted: Mon September 01, 2014 12:13 am
by Rangi Guy
AndySlash wrote:no way. enough people wanted it that it was very hard to find on rsd, and i appreciate that they realized this and put it out. plus, the rsd version is still an exclusive product; these reissues are individual releases.
Post R.E.M. moneygrab!

Re: How The West Was Won And Where It Got Us: An REM Thread

Posted: Mon September 01, 2014 4:18 am
by tattooedeverything
stip wrote:Oh I know. I'm just speculating as to what else it might be
Oops, I feel silly. It came right after my post and both appearances happened during the Up period, so yeah.

Re: How The West Was Won And Where It Got Us: An REM Thread

Posted: Wed September 03, 2014 5:00 pm
by AndySlash
today's popmarket deal is a bundle of the unplugged sets for $54.99 (free shipping)

http://www.popmarket.com/details/321291 ... d=31942722

Re: How The West Was Won And Where It Got Us: An REM Thread

Posted: Fri September 26, 2014 3:07 pm
by VinylGuy
So...that REMTV box...

Re: How The West Was Won And Where It Got Us: An REM Thread

Posted: Fri September 26, 2014 3:41 pm
by AndySlash
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I WANT MY REMTV!
R.E.M. and MTV Combine to Release 6-Disc Retrospective Set REMTV on Rhino in November
From the beginning, R.E.M. and MTV have shared a rich history together. In July 1981, the band released its first single, "Radio Free Europe" while a few weeks later the new Music Television network launched and premiered its first music video. From that point forward, thirty years in total, MTV documented everything about R.E.M.: their music, their stories, and ultimately, their decision to disband in 2011.

Now, this entire story, from start to finish, is chronicled in a new six-DVD set, REMTV, that includes live performances, award show highlights, and television appearances, as well as a new documentary about the band and network's mutual history. REMTV will be available on November 24th.

"It occurred to us that there's all this footage of some of the band's absolute career highlights sitting in some MTV vaults in London and New York-- and thanks to a lot of effort and digging and arranging, this is our chance to share that music with various generations of R.E.M. fans in a pretty unique release," said longtime manager Bertis Downs. "And Alexander Young's documentary is a fine way to tell the story of R.E.M. through its various twists and turns, as captured in real time by MTV's cameras-- it has some great funny bits too!"

"This is the first DVD project to unite material from all across Viacom's networks," said Bill Flanagan, EVP of the Viacom Music Group. "Not only are we drawing from the vaults of MTV - domestic and international - but from VH1, Comedy Central, and Nickelodeon. I don't think anyone realized just how much terrific R.E.M. footage we were sitting on. To gather the best of it in one collection is pretty overwhelming. R.E.M. started great, stayed great and ended great - here's the evidence."

Disc one combines R.E.M.'s first and second performances on MTV Unplugged along with the outtakes that debuted earlier this year on the audio release Unplugged: The Complete 1991 And 2001 Sessions . Disc two opens with the band's 1998 VH1 Storytellers performance including two songs--"New Test Leper" and "(Don't Go Back to) Rockville"--previously unaired. Performances from various MTV award shows through the years, as well as the band's 2007 induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame round out the second disc. Two vintage performances from 1983 and 1984 are not to be missed: the first one captures the band on Livewire performing "So. Central Rain" and "Carnival of Sorts (Box Cars)" from 1983, while the next clip showcases five songs from The Cutting Edge in 1984, including a rare cover of Brownsville Station's "Smokin' in the Boys Room."

The next three discs present a trove of rare live performances recorded between 1995 and 2008 in countries around the world. Of the 99 songs that are spread across these three discs, nearly half are unique song titles, offering a deep exploration of the band's live legacy. Especially noteworthy are two massive free concerts filmed for broadcast: Live In Cologne (5/12/01) and R.E.M. Live In Athens, Greece (10/5/08). More than a dozen songs from those shows did not air during the original broadcasts. Both concerts appear here in their entirety for the first time.

Undoubtedly, the heart of this superb collection is the new feature-length documentary, R.E.M. By MTV, included on the final disc. Drawing exclusively on archival events, the film traces R.E.M. and MTV in real time, which makes it feel as exciting and immediate as it did when it was happening. "All the energy and momentum of both the band and the network come roaring through," writes Anthony DeCurtis in the set's liner notes.

R.E.M. By MTV will also premiere simultaneously on VH1 Classic and Palladia later in November, marking its first television run in the United States. Additional information about air dates will be announced on REMHQ and R.E.M. social channels, so please stay tuned.

Special bonus: if you pre-order REMTV from the REMHQ.com store you will receive a code that enables you to download a mono version of the 2003 MTV Sonic Show in Milan, Italy - - not included in the REMTV package.

Re: How The West Was Won And Where It Got Us: An REM Thread

Posted: Fri September 26, 2014 5:19 pm
by Daniel Bryan
I definitely want to pre-order that! What region are the DVDs from REM Store?

Re: How The West Was Won And Where It Got Us: An REM Thread

Posted: Fri September 26, 2014 11:27 pm
by PHATJ
Interesting interview here with Stipe answering questions about Monster.

http://www.newsweek.com/reclaiming-mons ... ipe-273408

Re: How The West Was Won And Where It Got Us: An REM Thread

Posted: Sat September 27, 2014 9:46 am
by joostone
Here is the tracklisting for REMTV:

Disc One
Unplugged 1991
Outtakes 1991
Unplugged 2001
Outtakes 2001

Disc Two
VH1 Storytellers
Storytellers Outtakes
The Cutting Edge
Livewire
MTV 10th Anniversary Special
Video Music Awards 1993
Video Music Awards 1995
European Music Awards 1998
European Music Awards 2001
Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Induction 2007
The Colbert Report 2008

Disc Three
R.E.M. In Dallas
R.E.M. Uplink At Bowery Ballroom
Live In Cologne
Live In Cologne Outtakes

Disc Four
R.E.M. At The Tabernacle, London
MTV Sonic Milan
Rock AM Ring
Rock AM Ring Outtakes

Disc Five
Live At Rolling Stone, Milan
Live At Oxegen Festival
R.E.M. Live In Athens, Greece

Disc Six
R.E.M. By MTV
Deleted Scenes



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