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Re: TV: Girls
Posted: Wed April 13, 2016 6:34 pm
by VinylGuy
Well i buy her and Adam being together..they are both fucked and they relationship started that way. But Fran was too grounded, too nice from the beginning, and after that disastrous first date, why would him want to date her? Like in a serious relationship?
Re: TV: Girls
Posted: Wed April 13, 2016 6:34 pm
by LoathedVermin72
You guys are making me want to watch this again
Re: TV: Girls
Posted: Wed April 13, 2016 6:36 pm
by VinylGuy
LoathedVermin72 wrote:You guys are making me want to watch this again
Come join us.
Re: TV: Girls
Posted: Wed April 13, 2016 6:37 pm
by Mecca
VinylGuy wrote:Well i buy her and Adam being together..they are both fucked and they relationship started that way. But Fran was too grounded, too nice from the beginning, and after that disastrous first date, why would him want to date her? Like in a serious relationship?
my theory of he just got out of a relationship still holds water
Re: TV: Girls
Posted: Wed April 13, 2016 6:38 pm
by VinylGuy
Mecca wrote:VinylGuy wrote:Well i buy her and Adam being together..they are both fucked and they relationship started that way. But Fran was too grounded, too nice from the beginning, and after that disastrous first date, why would him want to date her? Like in a serious relationship?
my theory of he just got out of a relationship still holds water
Explain where did you come with that.
Re: TV: Girls
Posted: Wed April 13, 2016 6:41 pm
by Mecca
VinylGuy wrote:Mecca wrote:VinylGuy wrote:Well i buy her and Adam being together..they are both fucked and they relationship started that way. But Fran was too grounded, too nice from the beginning, and after that disastrous first date, why would him want to date her? Like in a serious relationship?
my theory of he just got out of a relationship still holds water
Explain where did you come with that.
he had pictures of his ex on his phone still. you're also pretty open to dating someone because they want to be with you and not necessarily because you would normally be with them when you're on the rebound.
Re: TV: Girls
Posted: Wed April 13, 2016 6:48 pm
by VinylGuy
Mecca wrote:VinylGuy wrote:Mecca wrote:VinylGuy wrote:Well i buy her and Adam being together..they are both fucked and they relationship started that way. But Fran was too grounded, too nice from the beginning, and after that disastrous first date, why would him want to date her? Like in a serious relationship?
my theory of he just got out of a relationship still holds water
Explain where did you come with that.
he had pictures of his ex on his phone still. you're also pretty open to dating someone because they want to be with you and not necessarily because you would normally be with them when you're on the rebound.
He had the pictures of his exes.
Re: TV: Girls
Posted: Wed April 13, 2016 7:01 pm
by Mecca
VinylGuy wrote:Mecca wrote:VinylGuy wrote:Mecca wrote:VinylGuy wrote:Well i buy her and Adam being together..they are both fucked and they relationship started that way. But Fran was too grounded, too nice from the beginning, and after that disastrous first date, why would him want to date her? Like in a serious relationship?
my theory of he just got out of a relationship still holds water
Explain where did you come with that.
he had pictures of his ex on his phone still. you're also pretty open to dating someone because they want to be with you and not necessarily because you would normally be with them when you're on the rebound.
He had the pictures of his exes.
yes. I said he did. what do you mean?
Re: TV: Girls
Posted: Wed April 13, 2016 7:04 pm
by @SkitchP
Mecca wrote:@SkitchP wrote:bodysnatcher wrote:not sure how much longer i can watch people just being pieces of shit
Verb's goodbye post was way better than this.
Thanks mecca
Re: TV: Girls
Posted: Wed April 13, 2016 7:09 pm
by VinylGuy
Mecca wrote:VinylGuy wrote:Mecca wrote:VinylGuy wrote:Mecca wrote:VinylGuy wrote:Well i buy her and Adam being together..they are both fucked and they relationship started that way. But Fran was too grounded, too nice from the beginning, and after that disastrous first date, why would him want to date her? Like in a serious relationship?
my theory of he just got out of a relationship still holds water
Explain where did you come with that.
he had pictures of his ex on his phone still. you're also pretty open to dating someone because they want to be with you and not necessarily because you would normally be with them when you're on the rebound.
He had the pictures of his exes.
yes. I said he did. what do you mean?
Not just one, but a bunch of them...All his recent ex girlfriends.
Re: TV: Girls
Posted: Wed April 13, 2016 7:27 pm
by Mecca
maybe he just likes fat girls
Re: TV: Girls
Posted: Wed April 13, 2016 7:47 pm
by epilogue
tragabigzanda wrote:The last ep was really good, especially the stuff with Adam, Jessa, and the baby. Shosh's argument with her ex was also a strong scene. Marnie is back to being her annoying, oblivious self. And Hanna is still a dickhead. But I really think that her relationship with Fran played as wholly unrealistic. We never saw them have a happy moment in their relationship.
I don't think that's unrealistic at all. I loved seeing Hannah force herself to try something and then snap when it got to be too much. I thought it was incredibly realistic. But then, sadly, I've been the Hannah in that relationship before.
Re: TV: Girls
Posted: Wed April 13, 2016 7:51 pm
by VinylGuy
Mecca wrote:maybe he just likes fat girls
Wow.
where is our own PC principal ?
Re: TV: Girls
Posted: Wed April 13, 2016 7:54 pm
by epilogue
tragabigzanda wrote:VinylGuy wrote:Mecca wrote:VinylGuy wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:The last ep was really good, especially the stuff with Adam, Jessa, and the baby. Shosh's argument with her ex was also a strong scene. Marnie is back to being her annoying, oblivious self. And Hanna is still a dickhead. But I really think that her relationship with Fran played as wholly unrealistic. We never saw them have a happy moment in their relationship.
I agree. Also, why would Fran date Hanna in the first place?
who knows what his previous situation was, but maybe he was freshly broken up with that girl on his phone?
Yeah, but a full relationship with Hanna?
Ha:
http://www.vulture.com/2016/04/hannah-h ... ee-so.html
Great article.
Re: TV: Girls
Posted: Wed April 13, 2016 7:55 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
Re: TV: Girls
Posted: Wed April 13, 2016 8:00 pm
by epilogue
VinylGuy wrote:Mecca wrote:VinylGuy wrote:Well i buy her and Adam being together..they are both fucked and they relationship started that way. But Fran was too grounded, too nice from the beginning, and after that disastrous first date, why would him want to date her? Like in a serious relationship?
my theory of he just got out of a relationship still holds water
Explain where did you come with that.
We know that Fran has dark tendencies. He likes to control people. We know, or we can strongly infer even if it isn't explicitly stated, that he's had his heart broken recently. He sees a project in Hannah. He sees someone who is weaker than him and insecure and odd, probably very different from the last girl. And I think he believes she is interesting (because she is) and talented (because she is) and unusual (because she is). He's drawn to that. Because he's pragmatic and calculating, because he sees himself as the sensible one, he's willing to put up with her eccentricities, and he believes he can control her and mold her to her full potential. He can't, and that's why he loses it the way he does. We finally get to see a bit of the darker side of Fran in that break up scene and its startling.
I love how in that scene we shift from "how could Fran want to date Hannah for so long" to "why the fuck didn't Hannah ditch his ass sooner?" It's pretty brilliant. And it's a fantastic example of a typically unreliable narrator-type character (Hannah) actually being very insightful. We've doubted Hannah all these weeks, just like Marnie we've said, "He's a good guy, you're just being Hannah." And we didn't listen to her. But she was right. Fran's a fucking dick.
Re: TV: Girls
Posted: Wed April 13, 2016 8:03 pm
by Mecca
I don't think Fran is a dick at all. He was pushed to that point by Hannah's behavior. He seemed pretty patient, but he was pushed to that end.
Re: TV: Girls
Posted: Wed April 13, 2016 8:09 pm
by epilogue
Mecca wrote:I don't think Fran is a dick at all. He was pushed to that point by Hannah's behavior. He seemed pretty patient, but he was pushed to that end.
I think we were supposed to gather from Fran's arch this season that the patience and all of that was kind of an act and that the guy really has some control issues and maybe even a bit of a temper. And I think the way he behaved in that rest stop was out of line. Hannah was out of line as well, but he got dark and potentially violent.
It's telling that I felt less scared for Hannah in Hector's car than I did when Fran was screaming.
But I'm not saying that Fran would have done anything terrible or violent but his reaction was a bit disproportionate, I think. And I think the Jake Lacy did a fine job with the character but I wonder if he isn't too likable. I wonder if Fran was drawn to be a bit more bubbling underneath and Jake didn't play all of those layers, so the ultimate blow up fell a bit flat.
Re: TV: Girls
Posted: Wed April 13, 2016 8:10 pm
by Mecca
he was justifiably angry, though.
Re: TV: Girls
Posted: Wed April 13, 2016 8:10 pm
by epilogue
I'm not saying he didn't have a right to be angry. But he handled the situation poorly. He behaved like an asshole. He refused to listen to Hannah and then blew the fuck up. He was hardly the wounded hero of the scene.