Red Mosquito

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:I waited on Affleck and Garner once. She struck me as kind and polite; he struck me as the exact opposite.

I've never met either of them. But I have a few friends who have met Affleck. Not a single one of them has a nice thing to say about the guy. One of my friends actually watched him get super coked up in a club bathroom and then beat the shit out of a bartender. This was a long LONG time ago. Like, maybe before he and Garner were married.

Ha. One of my buddies used to work in a studio that was popular with major labels hip hop acts. One night they were on a session, and Puffy crashed the party with Matt Damon in tow. They were apparently on ecstasy, and Damon was wearing a stocking cap and shades, trying to look like a thug. They were apparently very high and very silly.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

durdencommatyler wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:Fran was being an asshole? what?? When? The girl runs to the bathroom and text him and then continues to run, and after that he still tell her that they can go back to the city and still she doesnt want to? When a few moments before, everything seemed fine..

He was being an asshole?

Just reverse the situation and imagine you're Hannah. She asked him not to come after her. He did anyway. She asked to be left alone. He chased her. She told him she didn't want to be with him and he hounded her. He then lashed out when he didn't get his way. You can sympathize with him because you're a guy and you chose to see the reasonable side of what Fran was doing and because you'll likely never be in a situation where a girl coming after you like that will threatening in the same way.

But yeah, I think a man going after a woman like that, refusing to listen to her and respect he wants/privacy. That's aggressive and shitty. The episode gave it a comedic twist, of course. And I don't think the writer/director wanted to have a seen about male/female violence and all of that. It was supposed to be a scene about two people who are dead wrong for each other behaving inappropriately and selfishly and watching that come to a comedic head. I get that. But that layer is there.

And it's especially clear in how mean his final words are to her. The fuck yous and the look in his eye. It's dark, man. I was uncomfortable watching it. And I think it was unnecessary on Fran's part.

spike wrote:i've only started disliking hannah the past maybe two seasons. i've always disliked marnie much more.

durdencommatyler wrote:

spike wrote:i've only started disliking hannah the past maybe two seasons. i've always disliked marnie much more.

Yeah, I'm way more in this camp. I've never really cared for Marnie. Maybe season one... but certainly as early as S2 she started to wear on me. I don't think dislike is the right word for how I feel about Hannah. But I'm not sure what the right word is.

Mecca wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

spike wrote:i've only started disliking hannah the past maybe two seasons. i've always disliked marnie much more.

Yeah, I'm way more in this camp. I've never really cared for Marnie. Maybe season one... but certainly as early as S2 she started to wear on me. I don't think dislike is the right word for how I feel about Hannah. But I'm not sure what the right word is.

is the feeling like you want to shake her and tell her she's being stupid?

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

durdencommatyler wrote:

Mecca wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

spike wrote:i've only started disliking hannah the past maybe two seasons. i've always disliked marnie much more.

Yeah, I'm way more in this camp. I've never really cared for Marnie. Maybe season one... but certainly as early as S2 she started to wear on me. I don't think dislike is the right word for how I feel about Hannah. But I'm not sure what the right word is.

is the feeling like you want to shake her and tell her she's being stupid?

Heh.

Not shake her, but yeah, I do feel like I wish I could make her see how everyone around her sees her. Hannah's selfishness is off the chart and it gets super frustrating.

tragabigzanda wrote:They've really ignored the story around Hanna's parents this season, apart from a couple small scenes.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:They've really ignored the story around Hanna's parents this season, apart from a couple small scenes.

I feel the opposite...too much parents. I like how is resolved so far, but its enough.

I did really like the part where Hanna's mother went to that feminist retreat, and decided she would stick with her husband. I thought it was both very practical and loving -- at that stage of her life, he was more valuable as a companion than a romantic partner.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:For what it's worth, I like Hannah Horvath way more than I like Walter White.

I can not conceptualize any nexus of thought in which this makes sense.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.