Red Mosquito

BurtReynolds wrote: Mon August 10, 2026 2:43 pm I don't know about most annoying but Zendaya, The Rock, Ryan Reynolds, and Jack Black would be up there.

Zendaya does not fit with the other three, you are blinded by your hatred

She's a brand! Not an actor.

Whatever that means

Agreed 100%, she is a brand. Most of the big actors now are brands.

Matt Damon: Total brand. Has opinions on everything. Tries to sell Dunkin and crypto. Fancies himself an expert on cancel culture. Can't stand watching him anymore.

Robert Pattinson: Not a brand. I have no earthly idea what he does off-screen, what clothes he wears, who he votes for. It makes it so much easier to connect with his work on-screen.

For one, being a "brand" (however you define it) doesn't make them not an actor. Zendaya has an extremely cultivated public image and commercial brand while also being an actor -- which she is, and a very good one despite Burt's current weird fixation.

Secondly, yu personally not knowing much about him says more about your media consumption and tolerance for celebrity exposure than it does about the actors themselves. I'd say Pattison is at least as outspoken as Zendaya is, and probably even more so in a number of ways. not only that, the guy is quite literally a long-running luxury-brand ambassador (he's been the face of Dior Homme since 2013).

It's silly to look at extremely successful young Hollywood millionaires and pretend like one is more genuine than the other, it all ultimately collapses into a conversation about who you personally like better. They're all "brands" to some extent. That wasn't the question

I don't know if she's tried to sell her whiskey in one of her movies yet, but it's coming.

Jorge wrote: Mon August 10, 2026 6:11 pm For one, being a "brand" (however you define it) doesn't make them not an actor. Zendaya has an extremely cultivated public image and commercial brand while also being an actor -- which she is, and a very good one despite Burt's current weird fixation.

I never suggested it made them not an actor; I stated plainly that it makes it hard for me to divorce the branding from the immersion it takes to enjoy a film to its full extent.

Jorge wrote: Mon August 10, 2026 6:11 pm Secondly, yu personally not knowing much about him says more about your media consumption and tolerance for celebrity exposure than it does about the actors themselves. I'd say Pattison is at least as outspoken as Zendaya is, and probably even more so in a number of ways. not only that, the guy is quite literally a long-running luxury-brand ambassador (he's been the face of Dior Homme since 2013).

I had no idea he was the face of Dior Homme. So fair game on media consumption I guess? I don't know where that stuff gets advertised. Probably GQ and Vogue and stuff like that? Glad I don't read that stuff.

Jorge wrote: Mon August 10, 2026 6:11 pmIt's silly to look at extremely successful young Hollywood millionaires and pretend like one is more genuine than the other, it all ultimately collapses into a conversation about who you personally like better. They're all "brands" to some extent.

I don't think it's silly at all, and "to some extent" is doing a lot of work here. It's a spectrum, now? Josh Brolin talking about his sobriety on a podcast isn't the same thing as Pattinson selling Dior Homme. While they both drive likability and marketability, they probably do it at completely different scales, and along different horizons of fandom.

tragabigzanda wrote: Mon August 10, 2026 6:37 pm

Jorge wrote: Mon August 10, 2026 6:11 pm For one, being a "brand" (however you define it) doesn't make them not an actor. Zendaya has an extremely cultivated public image and commercial brand while also being an actor -- which she is, and a very good one despite Burt's current weird fixation.

I never suggested it made them not an actor; I stated plainly that it makes it hard for me to divorce the branding from the immersion it takes to enjoy a film to its full extent.

Let's back up a sec, because now it seems we're arguing different things. Burt's post stated "she’s a brand, not an actor," and your response began "agreed 100%, she is a brand." Maybe you only meant you agreed with the first half and not the "not an actor" part, but I'm sure you can see how "agreed 100%" is a strange way to communicate "I agree with 50% of this post"

Ugh

Jorge wrote: Mon August 10, 2026 6:53 pm

tragabigzanda wrote: Mon August 10, 2026 6:37 pm

Jorge wrote: Mon August 10, 2026 6:11 pm For one, being a "brand" (however you define it) doesn't make them not an actor. Zendaya has an extremely cultivated public image and commercial brand while also being an actor -- which she is, and a very good one despite Burt's current weird fixation.

I never suggested it made them not an actor; I stated plainly that it makes it hard for me to divorce the branding from the immersion it takes to enjoy a film to its full extent.

Let's back up a sec, because now it seems we're arguing different things. Burt's post stated "she’s a brand, not an actor," and your response began "agreed 100%, she is a brand." Maybe you only meant you agreed with the first half and not the "not an actor" part, but I'm sure you can see how "agreed 100%" is a strange way to communicate "I agree with 50% of this post"

you are right

burt's a monster

Zendaya and Black are in a similar class: need a quirky fat guy? Call Black. Need a diverse girlfriend? Call Zendaya. I'm probably not as bad as Trag about being turned off by the "actor's" extracurricular activities, but they cross the line with me. And they are nowhere near good enough to disappear in the role.

Reynolds and Johnson are on a whole nother level. They basically view acting as a means to be big time businessmen. Plus they advertise their own products in their shitty movies. Unforgivable.

Zendaya is meechee

I typically don’t watch movies featuring actors i don’t like. There’s plenty of other stuff to enjoy. Why do you get so worked up over Zendaya?

These kinds of things can be fun on a message board. But sometimes it can take a dark turn. Like VG's cannibalistic obsession with Amy Adams, for example.

This is a travesty.

E.H. Ruddock wrote: Mon August 10, 2026 10:01 pm I typically don’t watch movies featuring actors i don’t like. There’s plenty of other stuff to enjoy. Why do you get so worked up over Zendaya?

As if I have a choice! She's in all the movies!

lennytheweedwhacker wrote: Tue August 11, 2026 2:35 am This is a travesty.

This was not my fault!

BurtReynolds wrote: Tue August 11, 2026 6:02 am

E.H. Ruddock wrote: Mon August 10, 2026 10:01 pm I typically don’t watch movies featuring actors i don’t like. There’s plenty of other stuff to enjoy. Why do you get so worked up over Zendaya?

As if I have a choice! She's in all the movies!

Creating a scenario that doesn't exist to be the victim. Sounds familiar!

This aggression will not stand